REFLECTOR: LED lights
David Ullman
ullman at robustdecisions.com
Fri Jul 19 21:30:10 CDT 2013
I have only LEDs on 444DX. I bought them from AVEO. They are made in the
US. They got there long before Whelan. People have said my plane looks
like a Xmas tree it is so bright and all I have is tip lights (with strobe)
and landing light (which I can make flash). Wiring was easy, all 20gage (as
best I remember).
See
http://www.aveoengineering.com/index.php/products-1/general-aviation-product
s
I am building a house right now and it will be as LEDed as I can make it.
In 5 years that is all there will be.
David Ullman
N444DX
President EAA 292
541-760-2338
david at davidullman.com
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:41:57 -0600
From: Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
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I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
They do not list a direct replacement.
The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
Not worth $700 bucks to me.
Anyone have an alternative source?
Kurt
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>
> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight, so
haven't used it for landing at night.
> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge. I'll
see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they
cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these
days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>
> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>
> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>
>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I had
some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying directly
at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with just the
landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With just the
landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close as 4-5
miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and starting at
10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me. Pretty cool
stuff.
>>
>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
benefits.
>>
>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
the camera set to iso3200.
>>
>> Bill Walker
>>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:50:52 -0500
From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
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I have LED position lights. The name escapes me right now. They are
integrated with traditional strobes. I like them. As soon as I remember,
I'll post the link. When I went for LED lights, I was surprised at how much
Whelen was asking. If you go experimental, the pricing gets a lot more
reasonable.
On 7/19/2013 1:41 PM, Kurt Winker wrote:
> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
They do not list a direct replacement.
> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
Not worth $700 bucks to me.
> Anyone have an alternative source?
>
> Kurt
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>
>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>
>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight, so
haven't used it for landing at night.
>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge. I'll
see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they
cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these
days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>
>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>
>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
Pretty cool stuff.
>>>
>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
benefits.
>>>
>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
the camera set to iso3200.
>>>
>>> Bill Walker
>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:55:33 -0400
From: Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
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Psaenterprises.com
Larry Epstein found this site and directed my attention to their catalog.
Scott Baker
Sent via iPhone
On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com> wrote:
> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
They do not list a direct replacement.
> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
Not worth $700 bucks to me.
> Anyone have an alternative source?
>
> Kurt
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>
>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>
>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight, so
haven't used it for landing at night.
>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge. I'll
see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they
cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these
days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>
>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>
>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
Pretty cool stuff.
>>>
>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
benefits.
>>>
>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
the camera set to iso3200.
>>>
>>> Bill Walker
>>>
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:10:07 -0500
From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
Message-ID: <51E98F0F.5070506 at awpi.com>
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I remember.
www.gs-air.com
Their prices seem to have gone up.
On 7/19/2013 1:50 PM, Brian Michalk wrote:
> I have LED position lights. The name escapes me right now. They are
> integrated with traditional strobes. I like them. As soon as I
> remember, I'll post the link. When I went for LED lights, I was
> surprised at how much Whelen was asking. If you go experimental, the
> pricing gets a lot more reasonable.
>
> On 7/19/2013 1:41 PM, Kurt Winker wrote:
>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600
>> series lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to
>> check Spruce. They do not list a direct replacement.
>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the
>> heads. Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen
>>> applications, but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap
>>> source of HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone
>>> else got the idea and that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the
>>> Ebay module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I
>>> flight, so haven't used it for landing at night.
>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them
>>> in the tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice
>>> place to install the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light
>>> lenses were used and highly modified to hold the lamp, and were
>>> glassed in to the leading edge. I'll see if I can send pics
>>> tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they cast a very
>>> narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these days I
>>> should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>
>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the
>>> fuselage. They are embedded above the structural layups, and are
>>> halogens at the moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area.
>>> I might replace them with LED's instead. I have used these before
>>> at night, and they really are nice to use for inspecting and loading
>>> the airplane at night.
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I
>>>> reconsidered the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose
>>>> wheel well. Everything works just fine, and the nose gear tube
>>>> clears them by about 1/4" on each side. They make a dramatic
>>>> difference to the night landing and night taxi experience. I am in
>>>> the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll post the
>>>> specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>>>> landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>
>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day.
>>>> I had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by
>>>> flying directly at the tower from various unknown (to him)
>>>> directions first with just the landing light, then with the landing
>>>> light and Darlas all on. With just the landing light, and him
>>>> actively looking, I was able to get as close as 4-5 miles before he
>>>> acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and starting at 10
>>>> miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me. Pretty
>>>> cool stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for
>>>> the benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I
>>>> had the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:49:19 -0400
From: Lawrence Epstein <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
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This site has LED's that replace the bulbs. Total cost ~$60 per side.
(Spruce buys from them)
On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Psaenterprises.com
> Larry Epstein found this site and directed my attention to their catalog.
>
> Scott Baker
> Sent via iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
They do not list a direct replacement.
>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>>
>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the
Ebay module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight,
so haven't used it for landing at night.
>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in
the tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to
install the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and
highly modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge.
I'll see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar,
they cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of
these days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>
>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>
>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
Pretty cool stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Walker
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> To change your email address, visit
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>>
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