REFLECTOR: Please Help-Problem with my wings!

[lawrence epstein]

Well folks, it helps to talk to the source. I called Alan today (after the 
e-mail).

It turns out that with the later sets of wings, Alan recognized that the 
rudder conduits and the void he was moulding in in that area, were being 
filled in with spillage during the vacuum process.  He therefore   wrapped 
the conduit end with duct tape and filled the void with blue foam surrounded 
by duct tape.  This somehow did not make the plans! After he explained this, 
I found the tape (which I had noticed and was confused about before) and 
pulled/cut away and I bet no one (if anyone cares) can guess what I found, I 
cavity about 8x6" for the rudder horn, with the conduit end deep in the 
wing!

I will send a pic if there is anyone else with this problem.

Larry Epstein
>From: "lawrence epstein" <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>To: reflector at tvbf.org
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Please Help-Problem with my wings!
>Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:50:22 +0000
>
>folks,
>Still can't find the rudder cable conduits.
>Can anyone who has ALAN's (Wingco) wings, give me measurements from 
>top/bottom/trailing edge where to look (where you found it)? as you can 
>see, I have excavated the blue foam from the trailing edge back to the 
>foward edge of the hole (about 6 1/2 inches forward of the trailing winglet 
>edge) and top to bottom.
>
>Larry
>>From: "Alan Shaw" <mshaw4 at cfl.rr.com>
>>To: "'lawrence epstein'" <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: RE: Please Help-Problem with my wings!
>>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:23:32 -0400
>>
>>Lawrence,
>>
>>To increase leverage on the bell crank at full deflection our rudder
>>conduits sweep forward from the TE approaching the end of the bell crank 
>>at
>>almost a 45 degree angle.  When the rudder is deflected fully then the 
>>cable
>>ends up perpendicular to the end of the bell crank.
>>
>>If you are looking for the conduit as drawn in the factory plans...coming
>>straight out the wing...you may be looking too far forward.
>>
>>If you had contacted me before cutting the hole I would have recommended
>>cutting the hole in the outside of the winglet.  This way you are not
>>cutting on the edge of the heavy winglet attach structure and it is easy 
>>to
>>dig into the foam where the conduit is.
>>
>>  Let me know how it goes and send more photo's if you still can not 
>>locate
>>the conduit.
>>
>>Alan Shaw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lawrence epstein [mailto:ljepstein at hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:36 PM
>>To: Information at wingco.com
>>Subject: Please Help-Problem with my wings!
>>
>>Alan-
>>I hope all is well. I continue to follow Wingco/Atlantica and look forward
>>to it's success.
>>
>>Anyway-
>>
>>I have been trying to find the rudder conduits on my (WingCo/V173) wings 
>>and
>>
>>can't!
>>
>>There was a lot of spillage in the recess where the internal arm should go
>>and the conduit (Outboard) end should be as well as some "displaced" 
>>triax.
>>I spoke to a few people who had your wings and had similar problem finding
>>the condit end and all said just keep digging and cutting. I confirmed 
>>with
>>the factory that even triax cut away 5-6" in the well would still not be a
>>structural problem.
>>
>>Anyway, digging was a problem from the opening. I then saw a velocity at
>>Oshkosh that had your wings and had the same problem. He had cut an access
>>panel about 3" diameter centered 5" fwd of the opened edge (he covered it
>>wth plexiglass to have easy inpection of the rudder cable/turnbuckle). 
>>THis
>>looked like a good solution and I again discussed it with Duane Swing and
>>Ken Baker @ the Velocity tent and all were OK with the structure.
>>
>>Well I cut the holes and dug away, completely exposing the outboard end of
>>the blue foam of the wing from about 3 to 7 inches fwd of the winglet open
>>edge, top to bottom and NO CONDUIT!!!
>>
>>Where should I look now? Any suggestions? I have tried to get a stiff wire
>>thru the conduit from inboard to outboard but anything heavy/stiff enough 
>>to
>>
>>chuck in a drill, won't pass more than about 3 feet and and the smaller
>>stuff goes only about 5-6 feet.
>>
>>I have attached a photo
>>
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