REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
Ronnie Brown
reflector@tvbf.org
Sun, 4 May 2003 16:47:18 -0400
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You can split the VOR antenna for glide slope - the splitter is about $150.
Since my 173 has two VOR antennas (one in each wing) and I only have one VOR receiver, I connected my 2nd VOR
antenna to the Glideslope receiver in my Garmin 430. Works fine.
Ronnie
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Royer
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
I think that we are having some nomenclature problems here. Of course the localizer uses the same antenna at
the VOR. The localizer frequencies are simply the bottom end of the nav frequency band. The glide slope
receiver can also be split off of the nav antenna but it is probably better to have a separate antenna. If a
separate glide slope antenna is used it is a short one which is usually mounted between the bottom of the
windshield and the canard doghouse. The long antenna that is usually mounted on the cabin floor is the marker
beacon antenna.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martino
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
I was told you could use the VOR antenna for the localizer and you didn't need a separate antenna.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Millin [mailto:amillin@net-link.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 7:45 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
Chris,
According the the plans, the VOR antennas are to be built into the bottom of the wing. Obviously, not a
place where you could cover them with any type of foil.
I did install my localizer antenna in the cabin floor. Thanks for the tip.
Best,
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf Of Chris Martin
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:00 PM
To: reflector
Subject: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
This note is for those of you that are using the foil tape antennas as designed by Jim Weir. This is the
standard antenna system in the Velocities and I am sure all of you are using them in some form. I have always
been unhappy with the performance of my VOR antennas mounted on my fuselage floor and finally wrote to Jim
Weir to seek his advice. I wrote:
"Jim, my question is this. The two VOR antennas in question are mounted on the floor of the fiberglass
fuselage. Over the floor I have I have laid sound insulation and carpet. The sound insulation has a aluminum
foil layer on each side. Is the foil the probable source of the antenna failure? "
Jim's response was "Without a doubt!"
I wonder how many of you have made the same mistake I made in diligently building your antennas to Jim
Weir's plans and then mistakenly covering them with a foil backed sound insulation. The foil backed sound
insulation was the one recommended by Velocity when I installed my interiors in 2000.
Hope this helps some of you.
Chris Martin
Velocity XL RG
330 hours flying
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You can split the VOR antenna for glide slope - the =
splitter=20
is about $150.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Since my 173 has two VOR antennas (one in each wing) =
and I=20
only have one VOR receiver, I connected my 2nd VOR antenna to the =
Glideslope=20
receiver in my Garmin 430. Works fine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ronnie</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Ddjroyer@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:djroyer@earthlink.net">Donald Royer</A>=20
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dreflector@tvbf.org=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:40 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I think that we are having some nomenclature =
problems here. Of=20
course the localizer uses the same antenna at the VOR. The localizer =
frequencies=20
are simply the bottom end of the nav frequency band. The glide slope =
receiver=20
can also be split off of the nav antenna but it is probably better to =
have a=20
separate antenna. If a separate glide slope antenna is used it is a =
short one=20
which is usually mounted between the bottom of the windshield and =
the=20
canard doghouse. The long antenna that is usually mounted on the cabin =
floor is=20
the marker beacon antenna.</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dtmartino@troubleshooter.com=20
href=3D"mailto:tmartino@troubleshooter.com">Tom Martino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dreflector@tvbf.org=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:03 =
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: REFLECTOR:Foil =
Tape=20
Antennas</DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was told =
you could=20
use the VOR antenna for the localizer and you didn’t need a =
separate=20
antenna.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Andy=20
Millin [mailto:amillin@net-link.net<SPAN class=3DGramE>] <BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent</SPAN></B></SPAN><B><SPAN=20
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AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: REFLECTOR<SPAN=20
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color=3Dblue=20
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Arial">Chris,</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">According =
the the=20
plans, the VOR antennas are to be built into the bottom of the =
wing. =20
Obviously, not a place where you could cover them with any type of=20
foil.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I did=20
install my localizer antenna in the cabin floor. Thanks for the=20
tip.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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Arial">Andy</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chris =
Martin<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, May 03, 2003 =
1:00=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
reflector<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>=20
REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans =
Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">This note=20
is for those of you that are using the foil tape antennas as =
designed by Jim=20
Weir. This is the standard antenna system in the Velocities and I am =
sure=20
all of you are using them in some form. I have always been unhappy =
with the=20
performance of my VOR antennas mounted on my fuselage floor and =
finally=20
wrote to Jim Weir to seek his advice. I=20
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">"Jim, my=20
question is this. The two VOR antennas in question are mounted on =
the floor=20
of the fiberglass fuselage. Over the floor I have I have laid sound=20
insulation and carpet. The sound insulation has a aluminum foil =
layer on=20
each side. Is the foil the probable source of the antenna=20
failure?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> "</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Jim's=20
response was "Without a doubt!"</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans =
Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I=20
wonder how many of you have made the same mistake I made in =
diligently=20
building your antennas to Jim Weir's plans and then mistakenly =
covering them=20
with a foil backed sound insulation. The foil backed sound =
insulation was=20
the one recommended by Velocity when I installed my interiors in=20
2000.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Hope=20
this helps some of you.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV>
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Chris=20
Martin</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Velocity =
XL=20
RG</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">330=20
hours flying</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" =
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