REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
Donald Royer
reflector@tvbf.org
Sun, 4 May 2003 14:40:59 -0600
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I think that we are having some nomenclature problems here. Of course =
the localizer uses the same antenna at the VOR. The localizer =
frequencies are simply the bottom end of the nav frequency band. The =
glide slope receiver can also be split off of the nav antenna but it is =
probably better to have a separate antenna. If a separate glide slope =
antenna is used it is a short one which is usually mounted between the =
bottom of the windshield and the canard doghouse. The long antenna that =
is usually mounted on the cabin floor is the marker beacon antenna.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Martino=20
To: reflector@tvbf.org=20
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
I was told you could use the VOR antenna for the localizer and you =
didn't need a separate antenna.
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Millin [mailto:amillin@net-link.net]=20
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 7:45 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
=20
Chris,
=20
According the the plans, the VOR antennas are to be built into the =
bottom of the wing. Obviously, not a place where you could cover them =
with any type of foil.
=20
I did install my localizer antenna in the cabin floor. Thanks for the =
tip.
=20
Best,
=20
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On =
Behalf Of Chris Martin
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:00 PM
To: reflector
Subject: REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas
This note is for those of you that are using the foil tape antennas =
as designed by Jim Weir. This is the standard antenna system in the =
Velocities and I am sure all of you are using them in some form. I have =
always been unhappy with the performance of my VOR antennas mounted on =
my fuselage floor and finally wrote to Jim Weir to seek his advice. I =
wrote:
=20
"Jim, my question is this. The two VOR antennas in question are =
mounted on the floor of the fiberglass fuselage. Over the floor I have I =
have laid sound insulation and carpet. The sound insulation has a =
aluminum foil layer on each side. Is the foil the probable source of the =
antenna failure? "
=20
Jim's response was "Without a doubt!"
=20
I wonder how many of you have made the same mistake I made in =
diligently building your antennas to Jim Weir's plans and then =
mistakenly covering them with a foil backed sound insulation. The foil =
backed sound insulation was the one recommended by Velocity when I =
installed my interiors in 2000.
=20
Hope this helps some of you.
=20
Chris Martin
Velocity XL RG
330 hours flying
=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I think that we are having some nomenclature =
problems here. Of=20
course the localizer uses the same antenna at the VOR. The localizer =
frequencies=20
are simply the bottom end of the nav frequency band. The glide slope =
receiver=20
can also be split off of the nav antenna but it is probably better to =
have a=20
separate antenna. If a separate glide slope antenna is used it is a =
short one=20
which is usually mounted between the bottom of the windshield and =
the=20
canard doghouse. The long antenna that is usually mounted on the cabin =
floor is=20
the marker beacon antenna.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dtmartino@troubleshooter.com=20
href=3D"mailto:tmartino@troubleshooter.com">Tom Martino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dreflector@tvbf.org=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:03 =
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: REFLECTOR:Foil =
Tape=20
Antennas</DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was told =
you could=20
use the VOR antenna for the localizer and you didn’t need a =
separate=20
antenna.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Andy=20
Millin [mailto:amillin@net-link.net<SPAN class=3DGramE>] <BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent</SPAN></B></SPAN><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">:</SPAN></B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 7:45=20
AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: REFLECTOR<SPAN=20
class=3DGramE>:Foil</SPAN> Tape Antennas</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Chris,</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">According =
the the=20
plans, the VOR antennas are to be built into the bottom of the =
wing. =20
Obviously, not a place where you could cover them with any type of=20
foil.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I did=20
install my localizer antenna in the cabin floor. Thanks for the=20
tip.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Andy</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chris =
Martin<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, May 03, 2003 =
1:00=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
reflector<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>=20
REFLECTOR:Foil Tape Antennas</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans =
Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">This note=20
is for those of you that are using the foil tape antennas as =
designed by Jim=20
Weir. This is the standard antenna system in the Velocities and I am =
sure=20
all of you are using them in some form. I have always been unhappy =
with the=20
performance of my VOR antennas mounted on my fuselage floor and =
finally=20
wrote to Jim Weir to seek his advice. I=20
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">"Jim, my=20
question is this. The two VOR antennas in question are mounted on =
the floor=20
of the fiberglass fuselage. Over the floor I have I have laid sound=20
insulation and carpet. The sound insulation has a aluminum foil =
layer on=20
each side. Is the foil the probable source of the antenna=20
failure?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> "</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Jim's=20
response was "Without a doubt!"</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans =
Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"MS =
Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I=20
wonder how many of you have made the same mistake I made in =
diligently=20
building your antennas to Jim Weir's plans and then mistakenly =
covering them=20
with a foil backed sound insulation. The foil backed sound =
insulation was=20
the one recommended by Velocity when I installed my interiors in=20
2000.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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Sans Serif"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Hope=20
this helps some of you.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
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Martin</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Velocity =
XL=20
RG</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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color=3Dblue=20
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hours flying</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" =
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