REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 98, Issue 119 Formation Flight to Cape May with Andy Millin
Mark Riley
the_rileys1 at verizon.net
Fri May 31 16:51:53 CDT 2013
Andy Millin and his wife, Theresa, made their first long cross country trip when they flew from Michigan to Pennsylvania to visit us and see the New Jersey shore. We flew in formation and got some great air to air photos and videos. I posted them on the blog at marksvelocity.blogspot.com.
We had a great time. I would like to find a way to do more group flights of Velocities to fun fly in destinations.
Check out the pictures and share any ideas for fun spots to fly in.
Thanks,
Mark
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 23:33:44 +0000
> From: steve korney <s_korney at hotmail.com>
> To: Reflector Reflector <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Economy Cruise
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> Hey Scott...
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> Are you calculating to within a tenth of a gallon or a half gallon....And how did you get that 10.5 gallons...
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> Steve
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:11:42 -0400
> From: scottb33333 at gmail.com
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Economy Cruise
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> On such a short mission, I doubt there will be little difference in
> fuel burn between normal cruise operations and economy cruise. By
> my quick calculations either method will burn close to 10.5 gallons
> (one way). On a 62nm flight, the difference in economy cruise and
> normal cruise will maybe save 5-minutes ... which is not enough time
> to 'earn' much fuel savings. Tweaking the power settings might be
> an interesting and fun exercise. I doubt however that it will save
> a gallon of fuel (one way).
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> Best,
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> Scott B.
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> On 5/30/2013 2:06 PM, Mark Magee
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> All,
> My bird is XLFG IO540 300HP MT CS prop (two PMAGS on
> pre-order) and I'm needing some performance data feedback. I
> may be daily 'commuting' in the bird a 62 NM one way hop, 4 or
> 5 days per week. Both airports about 2,000 ft MSL. I'm
> thinking I can remain fairly efficient if I lean on climb,
> climb to only 6,000 MSL at 130KT climb then back down to 23
> squared power and shoot for 150 KT cruise. I know this bird
> isn't optimized for the short hop, yet I may need it to
> perform there. With the P-Mags if I could keep the fuel burn
> under 10GPH on the round trip I won't have to go to the mat
> with my wife that I need a(n) (additional) Long EZ for this
> new mission... :)
> What do you guys think?
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> Mark B. Magee
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:10:40 -0400
> From: Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Economy Cruise
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> Hi Steve,
> Nice to hear from you!
> Since you asked ... :-)
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> 300 hp Lycoming
> 0-miles 2.0 gallons Taxi and runup
> 14-miles 2.0 gallons Climb Phase (4000' @ 140knots @ 650-700fpm
> rate of climb) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 20gph during climb
> 30-miles 2.5 gallons Cruise Phase (180knots burning 15gph)
> Approximately 10-minutes (0.17-hours)
> 18-miles 1.5 gallons Descent Phase (500fpm descent at 180knots
> burning 15gph) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour)
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> 62 nm
> 1.0 gallons Pattern Phase - Approximately
> 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 10gph
> 1.0 gallons Taxi to parking
> ==========
> 10.0 gallons, plus or minus a gallon, one-way trip
> total
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> Mark's aircraft, being a fixed gear, might not get 180knots in cruise -
> but I bet the fuel #'s are not too far off. And certainly there is room
> for savings with a no-delay take off and a straight in approach.
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> Hi Mark > Take the trip in the Velocity one day and let us know the real
> numbers!
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> Best,
> Scott B.
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> On 5/30/2013 7:33 PM, steve korney wrote:
>> Hey Scott...
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>> Are you calculating to within a tenth of a gallon or a half gallon....
>> And how did you get that 10.5 gallons...
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>> Steve
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:32:27 -0500
> From: Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com>
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> Scott,
> You're a great American!
> Your numbers look good to me. My only other option was to profile a low level (at and below 500 ft AGL) and shoot for 145-150 KTAS and fine tune the totalizer to get under 10 GPH.
> I'll post real numbers when available.
> Thanks.
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> Mark B. Magee
> N34XL
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> Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong. Let all that you do be done with love. 1COR 16:13-14
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> On May 30, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Steve,
>> Nice to hear from you!
>> Since you asked ... :-)
>>
>> 300 hp Lycoming
>> 0-miles 2.0 gallons Taxi and runup
>> 14-miles 2.0 gallons Climb Phase (4000' @ 140knots @ 650-700fpm rate of climb) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 20gph during climb
>> 30-miles 2.5 gallons Cruise Phase (180knots burning 15gph) Approximately 10-minutes (0.17-hours)
>> 18-miles 1.5 gallons Descent Phase (500fpm descent at 180knots burning 15gph) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour)
>> =======
>> 62 nm
>> 1.0 gallons Pattern Phase - Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 10gph
>> 1.0 gallons Taxi to parking
>> ==========
>> 10.0 gallons, plus or minus a gallon, one-way trip total
>>
>> Mark's aircraft, being a fixed gear, might not get 180knots in cruise - but I bet the fuel #'s are not too far off. And certainly there is room for savings with a no-delay take off and a straight in approach.
>>
>> Hi Mark > Take the trip in the Velocity one day and let us know the real numbers!
>>
>> Best,
>> Scott B.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2013 7:33 PM, steve korney wrote:
>>> Hey Scott...
>>>
>>> Are you calculating to within a tenth of a gallon or a half gallon....
>>> And how did you get that 10.5 gallons...
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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