I have a fence inboard of each aileron. I don't use rudder in the pattern/landing, unless I need to make a really sharp turn. John On 4/4/2013 12:33 PM, Scott Derrick wrote: > both. And as Richard said, aileron control is relative. > > You will still need to use the rudders, but the ailerons will have > more force than sans VG's. > > Scott >