REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident (Mark Magee)
Dennis Martin
dennis.doc at gmail.com
Wed Oct 10 19:04:15 CDT 2012
Garrison never mentioned that he wrote a similar article for *Flying* in
1992. Seems he would have confessed that deep stalls are his hobby. Link
attached:
Dennis
http://books.google.com/books?id=vldbL-fO1dEC&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=garrison+velocity+stall+flying+magazine&source=bl&ots=O7EmEoYkwB&sig=5swIdA70aLFc34pAoMi87bA1YoI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-gh2UOatJorNiwK5q4HoCg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=garrison%20velocity%20stall%20flying%20magazine&f=false
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Dave T Nelson <dtnelson at us.ibm.com> wrote:
> The author got other basic facts wrong. It wasn't Rutan that mounted an
> EZ on the back of a truck to investigate deep stall... it was Danny Maier,
> and it was a Velocity. Also, the one other fatal deep stall mentioned in
> the article was a Velocity where the builder had modified the fuel tanks by
> removing the rear wall of the tank and allowing the fuel to go all the way
> back to the spar to gain more fuel capacity. That, and the fact that he
> flew into a thunderstorm, caused the accident.
>
> Geez....
>
> Dave
>
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> ----- Forwarded by Dave T Nelson/Rochester/IBM on 10/10/2012 06:39 AM
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> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Scott Derrick <*scott at tnstaafl.net*<scott at tnstaafl.net>>
> wrote:
>
> There are mistruths, he states 3 prior accidents, two landing in the
> ocean. He fails to mention one of those was intentional by the factory,
> the test pilot elected to stay in the airplane, he had a parachute, and
> soft landed in the ocean. That plane was flying the next day. He states
> that any canard airplane can be deep stalled at 128K by either aft cg or
> abrupt pullup! First half truth/Lie is that it takes a way aft CG, since
> the redesign you need to be 2-3+ inches or more aft of aft CG limit and get
> the airplane in a very odd attitude, which at 128 knots I think thats
> probably not doable. That you can deep stall a V by doing abrupt maneuvers
> is blatant speculation and I've never heard of anybody doing it. I've made
> some pretty aggressive maneuvers and been in some wild thunderstorm
> generated turbulence, by myself(aft CG) and never felt any indication at
> all of a deep stall. And the accident plane hit really hard! All three
> known deep stall accidents, one intentional, all hit very softly, and hit
> flat. This accident turned over, that would not be characteristic of a deep
> stall.
>
> He took a few facts, dressed up a few assumptions, sugar coated a few
> lies and just made shit up! I think he has a thing against canards and is
> playing fast and loose with the facts to paint the V as inherently
> dangerous.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident
> From: Mark Magee *<edjonesbrady at gmail.com>* <edjonesbrady at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list *<reflector at tvbf.org>*<reflector at tvbf.org>
> Date: 10/09/2012 04:47 PM
> Hi Scott,
> Elaborate?
>
> Mark B. Magee
> M34XL
> Sent from IPhone 4S
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Scott Derrick <*scott at tnstaafl.net*<scott at tnstaafl.net>>
> wrote:
> You know I've always liked reading Garrison's articles. I now
> wonder if most of them are as full of bullshit as this one? Probably so...
>
> Scott
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident
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> Date: 10/09/2012 03:42 PM
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> This month's Flying magazine has an article (copy attached)
> about a Velocity accident in 2009. The plane lost a prop blade and this
> author believes the pilot mistook the violent shaking to be flutter, pulled
> abruptly on the stick, put the plane into a deep stall, and had no way to
> use engine power to break the stall.
>
> I wasn't a Reflector member in 2009 so don't know any more
> than what is in the article. Is there anything to learn from this apart
> from the obvious? (Make sure your prop blades stay attached, but recognize
> the symptoms if they don't, and fly the airplane.)
>
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