REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident

[Jim Kanter]

A letter to the editor might be in order.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
> There are mistruths, he states 3 prior accidents, two landing in the ocean.
> He fails to mention one of those was intentional by the factory, the test
> pilot elected to stay in the airplane, he had a parachute, and soft landed
> in the ocean.  That plane  was flying the next day. He states that any
> canard airplane can be deep stalled at 128K by either aft cg or abrupt
> pullup! First half truth/Lie is that it takes a way aft CG, since the
> redesign you need to be 2-3+ inches or more aft of aft CG limit and get the
> airplane in a very odd attitude, which at 128 knots I think thats probably
> not doable.  That you can deep stall a V by doing abrupt maneuvers is
> blatant speculation and I've never heard of anybody doing it. I've made some
> pretty aggressive maneuvers and been in some wild thunderstorm generated
> turbulence, by myself(aft CG) and never felt any indication at all of a deep
> stall.  And the accident plane hit really hard!  All three known deep stall
> accidents, one intentional, all hit very softly, and hit flat. This accident
> turned over, that would not be characteristic of a deep stall.
>
> He took a few facts, dressed up a few assumptions, sugar coated a few lies
> and just made shit up!  I think he has a thing against canards and is
> playing fast and loose with the facts to paint the V as inherently
> dangerous.
>
> Scott
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident
> From: Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Date: 10/09/2012 04:47 PM
>
> Hi Scott,
> Elaborate?
>
> Mark B. Magee
> M34XL
> Sent from IPhone 4S
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
>
> You know I've always liked reading Garrison's articles.  I now wonder if
> most of them are as full of bullshit as this one?  Probably so...
>
> Scott
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident
> From: Reiff Lorenz <Reiff at Lorenz.com>
> To: reflector at tvbf.org <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Date: 10/09/2012 03:42 PM
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>
>
> This month's Flying magazine has an article (copy attached) about a Velocity
> accident in 2009. The plane lost a prop blade and this author believes the
> pilot mistook the violent shaking to be flutter, pulled abruptly on the
> stick, put the plane into a deep stall, and had no way to use engine power
> to break the stall.
>
>
>
> I wasn't a Reflector member in 2009 so don't know any more than what is in
> the article. Is there anything to learn from this apart from the obvious?
> (Make sure your prop blades stay attached, but recognize the symptoms if
> they don't, and fly the airplane.)
>
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> Reiff Lorenz, Dayton, OH
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