REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 82, Issue 22 Seat Screws
Mark Riley
the_rileys1 at verizon.net
Sun Jan 8 06:21:40 CST 2012
Replacing the seat screws is a must. I sheared them several times. The fix is to replace them with 1/4 inch stainless screws. I used button head screws from McMaster and haven't had a problem since and I'm 6' 2", 230 .
Mark
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> 3. IO-360 Oil/CHT temps? (Kevin Baker)
> 4. Re: IO-360 Oil/CHT temps? (Tom Cacek)
> 5. Re: IO-360 Oil/CHT temps? (Lou Stedman)
> 6. Seat screws (Chris Barber)
> 7. Seat Screws (Chris Barber)
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> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:09:02 -0700
> From: Dennis Martin <dennis.doc at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Painting question
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> I taped the lead weights and the torque tubes on the elevators. Everything
> else got painted with primer and finish coats including elevators and
> ailerons. Maybe dumb luck, but it all works. Flies smooth as butter with no
> flutter.
>
> Dennis
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> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM, <nmflyer1 at aol.com> wrote:
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>> I'm curious if folks are removing the elevator concentric torque tubes and
>> end weight assembly before painting, or if you paint the whole thing
>> assembled?. I see benefits to both.
>>
>> Thanks, Kurt
>>
>> Off to the hangar.
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> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:22:38 -0600
> From: Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net>
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: empty w&b elite FG 173/lw (speed issue fixed -
> thanks everyone)
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> Hi All,
> I wanted to thank everyone for all their help.
> Fixed/found the speed issue I had - I believe.
> After checking the rigging and alignment, etc. I found that it is
> amazing what wheel pants (cleaning up the plane) and improved engine
> induction will do.
>
> After adding main wheel pants and redoing the induction path/entry to
> make for some better air (the original was a 90 degree hole in the
> bottom of the naca scoop with nothing to 'pull' the air in. I think it
> was also creating some possible neg pressure). I added a slight "scoop"
> to the intake.
>
> So now I'm getting...
>
> New Catto Prop (very pretty) - (ROP)
> At 8,000ft (one mini-scoop and other side no change)
> Full throttle 2600/22 158KTAS
> 2500/19 148KTAS
>
> At 4,000ft (ROP) (one mini-scoop and other side no change)
> Full throttle 2620/25 161KTAS 10.5gph
> 2500/24 151KTAS 9.5 . gph
>
> At 2,000ft (Both sides with mini scoops)
> Full throttle 2700/27 159KTAS 11 gph (I had 2 induction paths from
> the naca scoops and put 'mini' scoops on both for this run)
> ..... I need to do the 4,000 and 8,000 test with both these mini-scoops
> on as it seems I"m getting better MP/RPM with 2 mini scoops from the
> naca (still need to redo the entry from 90 to a better 45).
>
> I think I can do a little better with improving the induction routes as
> I currently have the 90deg off the naca scoops instead of a more gradual
> 45deg.
>
> Any and all thoughts are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin Baker
> N164PS
>
> On 12/18/2011 9:33 AM, Kevin Baker wrote:
>> Thanks Scott..
>> I'll go check it all out the alignment/ rigging and see what I can find....
>> :-)
>>
>> I was focused on the engine forgot about that part
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kevin
>>
>> .
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:21, Scott Derrick<scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Something is definitely out of alignment.
>>> My plane is not what I would call 'good fit and finish. That was obvious when I bought it. But its fast. Paint, thin join lines, etc don't make a fast airplane.
>>>
>>> Something in the rigging or alignment is slowing you down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Baker<flykb at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahhhhh good idea.
>>>> I didn't think about that.
>>>> I'll check it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 18:08, "Alex Balic"<velocity_pilot at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not that you would want to change it any time soon Kevin, but check the AOA
>>>>> on the winglets- the overall fit and finish on your AC is too good for it to
>>>>> be that slow.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Baker
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:55 PM
>>>>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>>>> Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: empty w&b elite FG 173/lw
>>>>>
>>>>> Well for what it's worth I'm also battling some issues
>>>>> Speed- ours is too slow
>>>>> Just got a new catto prop and just took it up
>>>>> 25 mp 2500rpm full throttle 140 knots 14 gal/hr
>>>>>
>>>>> I just mention this do that you don't think all of the rest of us don't meet
>>>>> factory specs but It is nice to fly and folks still come buy and Marvil at
>>>>> the plane
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Baker
>>>>>
>>>>> ..
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 17:33, Chris Barber<cbarber at texasattorney.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As to calibration, good or bad, my weight on the forth pad was the same as
>>>>> the independent digital personal scale we have at the hangar.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 5:29 PM, "Chris Barber"<cbarber at texasattorney.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh. To make it worse, it is still in primer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
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> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:25:40 -0600
> From: Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net>
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR: IO-360 Oil/CHT temps?
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> Hi All,
> What are you guys seeing in relation to oil / cht temps for fixed pitch
> props?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin Baker
> N164PS Elite FG LW
>
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> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:17:46 -0500 (EST)
> From: Tom Cacek <hytec45 at aol.com>
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> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: IO-360 Oil/CHT temps?
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> STD-RG, IO360C1C W/10/1 non ceramic pistons , cam by Performance Air, CA. and Catto prop. Two coolers. Cruise 2525rpm. CHT 320, Oil 180. Max ever seen in climb out in summer over 16 years, CHT 420', Oil 230'. Defiantly second cooler in rear contributes to this. Prior to second cooler installation 14 years ago, would see Oil up to 450' during summer climb outs. Used ceramic top coated pistons for a few years and they reduced oil temp about 20'. Wish I would of stuck with them. I will put coated pistons back in (if) ever have cylinders off.
> TEC
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> Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 5:27 pmmb
> Subject: REFLECTOR: IO-360 Oil/CHT temps?
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> Hi All,
> hat are you guys seeing in relation to oil / cht temps for fixed pitch
> rops?
> Thanks,
> evin Baker
> 164PS Elite FG LW
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> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:33:26 -0500
> From: "Lou Stedman" <stedmanlou at roadrunner.com>
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> I run about 180 to 190. Three blade Catto
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:25 PM
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR: IO-360 Oil/CHT temps?
>
> Hi All,
> What are you guys seeing in relation to oil / cht temps for fixed pitch
> props?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin Baker
> N164PS Elite FG LW
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> From: Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net>
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> I was wondering if others had had trouble with the seat hinge screws breaking and/or distorting. I have had to replace twisted and broken screws a few times now. Ok, while I am by no means a small man (5'10 at 200 lbs) I am not so big that I would think I would be stressing these parts.
>
> One thought is that I have been standing on the brakes a lot doing engine run ups and testing, but still it seems odd.
>
> I have now added extra screws by tapping out additional screw holes. I am close enough to hopefully successful flight that I wanted to address this gremlin.
>
> I had the tech out to test my transponder and it has a problem so he took it to take a look (really nice and helpful guy for those in SE Texas). Next step, squawk party....
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> Chris
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> From: Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net>
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> I was wondering if others had had trouble with the seat hinge screws breaking and/or distorting. I have had to replace twisted and broken screws a few times now. Ok, while I am by no means a small man (5'10 at 200 lbs) I am not so big that I would think I would be stressing these parts.
>
>
>
> One thought is that I have been standing on the brakes a lot doing engine run ups and testing, but still it seems odd.
>
>
>
> I have now added extra screws by tapping out additional screw holes. I am close enough to hopefully successful flight that I wanted to address this gremlin.
>
>
>
> I had the tech out to test my transponder and it has a problem so he took it to take a look (really nice and helpful guy for those in SE Texas). Next step, squawk party....
>
>
>
> Chris
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