REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance
Ron N VelocityXLFG
velocityxl at fastmail.fm
Fri Dec 28 11:57:41 CST 2012
Best fix
Velocity XL FG
No alarm to ignore :)
On 12/28/2012 11:51 AM, Mark Magee wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> Low speed gear up devices have been in use for about 40 years. The
> problem is the are normally 'defeat' able, they have a defeat button
> to turn the alarm horn off, lights normally stay on showing gear up
> and slow airspeed. When in a busy pattern (eg Oshkosh), under vectors
> from a controller or other 'busy' times just prior to landing pilots
> will get annoyed at that alarm horn blowing in their ears while
> copying vectors/instructions and turn off the horn. The P3 incident I
> cited the Aircraft Commander defeated the alarm horn 3 separate times.
> 3 brains missed the gear after that.
> We are human.
> It happens.
> Never think it can't happen to you even with a low speed alarm.
>
> Mark B. Magee
> N34 XL
> Sent from IPhone 4S
>
> On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net
> <mailto:scott at tnstaafl.net>> wrote:
>
>> a low speed gear up warning is a standard part of the kit.
>>
>> most gear up incidents occur with the warning activated and ignored
>> by the pilot. Its interesting to listen to an ATC tape and the gear
>> warning is clearly heard in the background.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance
>> From: Michael Watson <mikewatsspg at gmail.com>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Date: 12/28/2012 08:58 AM
>>> Last year, I installed the P/N 2050 gear warning system. As air
>>> speed goes below 100 KIAS
>>> the alarm which is connected to the headset goes off. "GEAR OK" if
>>> gear is down or,
>>> "GEAR UNSAFE" if gear is up. Works great.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:edjonesbrady at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jack,
>>> You are correct. They are worried about a gear up landing. If
>>> you don't do the work that could be 100k+ mistake. I studied
>>> film of a P3 crew: 3 brains in the cockpit (2 pilots + NFO)
>>> calling the LANDING CHECKLIST multiple times and the bird still
>>> came down gear up. Until the electronics geniuses give us a
>>> simple fail safe device to ensure we don't land gear up, the
>>> pilot is the weak link and the insurance companies will demand
>>> that link be strengthened via time or training.
>>>
>>> Mark B. Magee
>>> Sent from IPhone 4S
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "Jack Prock"
>>> <jackprock at wavecable.com <mailto:jackprock at wavecable.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> There is a reason the insurance comp. require that time.
>>> They don't like paying for lawn dart flights.
>>> >
>>> > HA! I'm pretty sure if I become a lawn dart, having the
>>> landing gear down won't help much!!
>>> >
>>> > I think they are worried about becoming a runway number scrubber!!
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message----- From: Scott Derrick
>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:10 PM
>>> > To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance
>>> >
>>> > When I bought my first plane, a Bonanza, I had about 20 hours
>>> retract
>>> > time in an Arrow and Mooney. The insurance company still
>>> required 10
>>> > hours dual in my Bonanza, followed by 10 solo before I could carry
>>> > passengers.
>>> >
>>> > Why people think they can just buy into a retract with a
>>> smattering of
>>> > training is beyond me.
>>> >
>>> > If you had 20 hours of retract, I'm sure you could negotiate a
>>> dual/solo
>>> > time requirement.
>>> >
>>> > There is a reason the insurance comp. require that time. They
>>> don't
>>> > like paying for lawn dart flights.
>>> >
>>> > Scott
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject: REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance
>>> > From: Jack Prock <jackprock at wavecable.com
>>> <mailto:jackprock at wavecable.com>>
>>> > To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>> <reflector at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
>>> > Date: 12/27/2012 04:55 PM
>>> >
>>> >> HI,
>>> >>
>>> >> Finally taking the project out to the airport next week, with a
>>> >> potential first flight late spring or early summer.
>>> >> Started calling around to get insurance and EAA Falcon is now
>>> requiring
>>> >> 50 hours of retract time
>>> >> before they will even quote for flying insurance. I can get
>>> ground,
>>> >> (non- moving) with liability,
>>> >> but asked about flight insurance for if and when I get there.
>>> Man that
>>> >> seems high on the retract time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I know the insurance discussion has bounced around the
>>> Reflector, but
>>> >> does anyone have any
>>> >> other ideas for flight insurance?
>>> >>
>>> >> I currently have zero retract time, but plan on getting
>>> checked out and
>>> >> renting a retract then flying
>>> >> with Velocity before first flight. But 50 hours seems REALLY
>>> high!!
>>> >>
>>> >> Jack
>>> >>
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