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hirty minutes after landing.
The engine will turn to it's first compression stroke then stop. After thre=
e or four try's I'll just have to
wait thirty minutes=2C then the engine will turnover and start within one o=
r two power stroke/s.
This is annoying if you just want to make a quick fuel stop.=20
I have replaced the Concord 35x with an Odyssey PC1200MJT 40AH battery 1200=
Amp. starting current
with the same result. I have placed another Odyssey 960 battery behind the=
rear left seat=2C and wired it
so it parallels the front battery when the starter is engaged=2C still same=
problem. A year or so ago=2C some
one on the reflector suggested replacing the starter with a ford part numbe=
r. I did that=2C still same problem.
The plane was originally wired with #2 wire=2C all connectors were power cr=
imped=2C the connectors to and
from the contractors are cleaned=2C treated and re tightened at each annual=
. I realize that the Franklin has
10.5:1 compression and when hot=2C can actually be slightly more=2C but my =
BMW M5 engine is also 10.5:1
compression and the same battery spins the engine very fast hot or cold. Co=
uld the problem be that the
starter is being heat soaked=2C which reduces it's efficiency? Is anyone e=
lse experiencing this problem?
BTW: I tried a Skytek starter which broke on the first start. it went into=
the garbage.=20
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Mike W.
1997 Velocity Elite RG
Franklin /IVO Electric CS
Dual GRT EFIS HX Synthetic Vision
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I =3Bam pretty confident that that will resolve the problem... Good Luc=
k... Jeff<BR> =3B<BR>
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From: mikewatsspg at gmail.com<BR>Date: Mon=2C 23 May 2011 11:24:46 -0400<BR>T=
o: Jim_Agnew_2 at yahoo.com=3B reflector at tvbf.org<BR>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: F=
ranklin Will not turnover when hot<BR><BR>To all=2C<BR><BR>I ordered 30 fee=
t of #00 wire to replace both Pos. and Neg. runs. I will post later if this=
resolves the problem.<BR>Everyone responding. Keep in mind that when the e=
ngine is cold or worm =3B the starter spins the engine VERY FAST.<BR>It=
's only after an hour or more flying and taxing to the terminal that the pr=
oblem show's up.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Decxgmail_quote>On Sun=2C May 22=2C 2011 at 6:44 PM=2C Jim Agne=
w <SPAN dir=3Dltr><=3B<A href=3D"mailto:jim_agnew_2 at yahoo.com">jim_agnew_=
2 at yahoo.com</A>>=3B</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Decxgmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex=3B BORDER-LEF=
T: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt=3B FONT-FAMILY: times new roman=2C new york=
=2C times=2C serif">
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>One of the two biggest problems with starter =3B is under size wir=
e and #2 wire is not recommended except for short runs and  =3B#0 is be=
st =3Band second is poor connections.</DIV>
<DIV> =3B</DIV>
<DIV>Jim =3B<BR> =3B</DIV>
James F. Agnew<BR>
<A href=3D"mailto:Jim_Agnew_2 at Yahoo.Com" rel=3Dnofollow>Jim_Agnew_2 at Yahoo.C=
om</A><BR>
Tampa=2C FL<BR>
Velocity 173 Elite Aircraft Completed &=3B Flying<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt=3B FONT-FAMILY: times new roman=2C new york=
=2C times=2C serif"><BR>
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=2C times=2C serif"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Michael Watson <=3B=
<A href=3D"mailto:mikewatsspg at gmail.com">mikewatsspg at gmail.com</A>>=3B<BR=
><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Velocity Aircraft Owne=
rs and Builders list <=3B<A href=3D"mailto:reflector at tvbf.org">reflector@=
tvbf.org</A>>=3B<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>=
Sun=2C May 22=2C 2011 6:13:05 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">S=
ubject:</SPAN></B> Re: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot<BR></=
FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5><BR>Larry=2C<BR><BR>Mine came with the same starter and ada=
pter plate. I replaced the original starter with a skytex and then a ford (=
NAPA 2446115)=2C<BR>but still the same problem. I have never had a problem =
with adapter plate=2C but you are right=2C it is poorly made and is<BR>pron=
e to leak oil back into the starter solenoid. Would your brother consider m=
aking one for me? PM me if he can.<BR><BR> =3B <BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Decxgmail_quote>On Sun=2C May 22=2C 2011 at 3:13 PM=2C Laurence=
Coen <SPAN dir=3Dltr><=3B<A href=3D"mailto:lwcoen at hotmail.com" rel=3Dnof=
ollow>lwcoen at hotmail.com</A>>=3B</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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T: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 10px=3B PADDING-LEFT: 10px=3B PADDING-TOP: 15p=
x">
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mike=2C</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> =3B</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My Franklin came with a Honda Civic starter with a very=
poorly made=2C welded-up adapter plate. =3B Luckily my brother was a t=
ool and die maker and produced an adapter of my design from an aluminum bil=
let. =3B =3BThe battery is a 55 AHR Optima deep discharge with #2 w=
ire. =3B Never a starting problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> =3B</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Larry Coen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>N136LC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dmikewatsspg at gmail.com href=3D"mailto:mikewatss=
pg at gmail.com" rel=3Dnofollow>Michael Watson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday=2C May 18=2C 2011 3:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dreflector at tvbf.org href=3D"mailto:reflector at tvbf=
.org" rel=3Dnofollow>Reflector</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot</DIV></=
DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>To all Franklin powered Velocity owners.<BR><BR>From new=2C =
I have always had a problem starting the engine within ten to thirty minute=
s after landing.<BR>The engine will turn to it's first compression stroke t=
hen stop. After three or four try's I'll just have to<BR>wait thirty minute=
s=2C then the engine will turnover and start within one or two power stroke=
/s.<BR>This is annoying if you just want to make a quick fuel stop. <BR cle=
ar=3Dall><BR>I have replaced the Concord 35x with an Odyssey PC1200MJT 40AH=
battery 1200 Amp. starting current<BR>with the same result. =3B I have=
placed another Odyssey 960 battery behind the rear left seat=2C and wired =
it<BR>so it parallels the front battery when the starter is engaged=2C stil=
l same problem. A year or so ago=2C some<BR>one on the reflector suggested =
replacing the starter with a ford part number. I did that=2C still same pro=
blem.<BR><BR>The plane was originally wired with #2 wire=2C all connectors =
were power crimped=2C the connectors to and<BR>from the contractors are cle=
aned=2C treated and re tightened at each annual. I realize that the Frankli=
n has<BR>10.5:1 compression and when hot=2C can actually be slightly more=
=2C but my BMW M5 engine is also 10.5:1<BR>compression and the same battery=
spins the engine very fast hot or cold. Could the problem be that the<BR>s=
tarter is being heat soaked=2C which reduces it's efficiency? =3B Is an=
yone else experiencing this problem?<BR><BR>BTW: =3B I tried a Skytek s=
tarter which broke on the first start. it went into the garbage. <BR>-- <BR=
>Mike W.<BR>1997 Velocity Elite RG<BR>Franklin /IVO Electric CS<BR>Dual GRT=
EFIS HX Synthetic Vision<BR>
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>-- <BR>Mike W.<BR>1997 Velocity Elite RG<BR>Franklin /IVO Electric CS<BR>D=
ual GRT EFIS HX Synthetic Vision<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR=
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