REFLECTOR: Understanding limitations: Fuel

Mon Jun 2 19:52:37 CDT 2008

Terry,

I think it only prudent to refrain from aerobatics when you've got less 
than 5 gallons per side !  :-)

Laughing aside, if or when I get myself in a low fuel situation,(been 
that & done there) , I would insist in a straight in, if insisting 
doesn't work, I would  make very shallow coordinated turns in the pattern.

Scott

Terry Miles wrote:
> Keith,
> Thanks.  I have the FAR numbers for fuel.  I hope I have about as much
> common sense as the next guy.  I too should have been more precise.  My
> question really intended to address itself to what you or other Velo
> operators have come to use (or intend to use) as "be on the ground" fuel
> remaining figure very specific to this airplane.  Not to pilot rules or POH
> limitations.  I should have left that out.  
>
> When you shine flashlight into a big flat strake with only a couple of
> gallons remaining it causes me to question what of the physics of tank
> baffling and maneuvering flight add to the dynamics of a low fuel state.  
>
> In the very back corner of my strakes, at Malcolm Collier's suggestion, we
> ran another fuel out line out to the sump.  I would presume all the fuel is
> capable of draining into the sump tank when in level unaccelerated flight,
> put what about maneuvering in a RH holding pattern with 3/4 inch of fuel,
> and having the right wing outlets being uncovered?   
>
> I thought I'd raise the issue just to see what others have bumped up against
> this either in theory or in practice.  It wasn't meant to be directed at you
> or your post specifically.
>
> Don't take this to mean I intend to construct some rigid set of numbers.
> Take it to mean I have an interest in the Velo fuel system, and I believe a
> comprehensive understanding of our particular set up and what to expect of
> it is better method than tankering fuel to compensate for the unexamined.  I
> know you didn't intend that.  I'll muddle along.   
>
> The sump in the RG is about half that of the FG as I recall.
>
> Terry 
> Back in flight test (with a new improved gear warning!)
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Keith Hallsten
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:51 PM
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: fuel tank placards
>
> Terry,
>
> Naturally you cannot include in your flight planning any strake capacity
> that won't actually drain to the sump.  That is physically "unusable".  
>
> The question of how much "usable" fuel you want to have on board at landing
> at a minimum is a separate question, and is spoken to by both the FARs and
> common sense.  Velocity aircraft generally have enough fuel capacity that it
> isn't too hard to plan to have a reasonable and comfortable reserve.
>
> In my original post I should more precisely have said, ". . . only consider
> the USABLE capacity of the strake tanks in the capacity labeling".
>
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Terry Miles
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:25 PM
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: fuel tank placards
>
> Keith,
> For POH reasons and with the assumption that real life xc fuel planning
> follows what you put in the POH.  Are you considering that all the fuel in
> the main tanks is usable?  I am inclined to say I am at dry tanks with 5
> gals in each wing, but I be happy to see what others use for "usuable"  or
> said another way what is the min fuel you want to see on landing at your
> alternate.
> Thanks for the input,
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Keith Hallsten
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:47 PM
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: fuel tank placards
>
> Doug,
>
> It's your call, but I would consider all of the sump to be either "unusable"
> or "emergency reserve" and only consider the capacity of the strake tanks in
> the capacity labeling.
>
> Keith Hallsten
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of doug.holub at tx.rr.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:30 PM
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR: fuel tank placards, Torx head screws
>
> My left and right fuel tanks hold 25.5 gallons each. My sump holds 5
> gallons, but 2 gallons at the bottom of the sump are not reachable. Do I
> placard my fuel tanks for 25.5 gallons plus half of the usable sump? Or half
> of the whole sump? Or just the tanks?
>
> I saw an ad in one of the magazines a few months ago for Torx head stainless
> steel 100 degree flat head screws. I bought some and they work just great.
> I've been taking the cowl off and on a lot the past few months, and they
> never strip out. I've got a Torx head for a small electric screwdriver. 
>
> www.microfaseners.com
>
> They don't call them Torx, they call them "6 Lobe Drive". You'll find them
> under "Socket Screws".
>
> Doug Holub, sprinting to the finish line
>
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