REFLECTOR: Fuel/Oil leak

Tue Apr 24 09:26:00 CDT 2007

I flew an IO-360A1 for 13 years and this was a common occurrence. This is 
also the reason that the fuel injected engines are hard to start when they 
are hot. The excess fuel that is left in the injector lines will drip into 
your intake plenum and is supposed to drain out your sniffle valve.

Andy Ellzey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Unterreiner" <naomi at yadtel.net>
To: <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: REFLECTOR: Fuel/Oil leak

> After I park my plane, the sniffle valve leaks a small amount ( stain 
> about
> 3" dia.) of fule/oil mixture, it has just started doing this. I have an
> IO-360 with 540 cylinders and high compression pistons in my Velocity.
> Anyone know what may be causing this and if it's something I need to worry
> about?
>
> Dean Unterreiner
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS (Richard J. Gentil)
>>   2. Re:  JPI, was Re: Fuel Probes (Scott Derrick)
>>   3.  SAP  was Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS (Scott Derrick)
>>   4.  Blue Mountain EIFS (Dr. Golf) (David Ullman)
>>   5. Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS (Darrell & Nora Kufalk)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:35:32 -0400
>> From: "Richard J. Gentil" <richard at naples-air-center.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Message-ID: <462D5EE4.5000005 at naples-air-center.com>
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>> Since everyone is all fired up in there, lets see if we cannot toss a
>> little gasoline on it.
>>
>> Superior Air Parts, at Sun'n Fun said that the engine I had the deposit
>> on since last June, now has a Sept build date.  Then when I called them
>> on it today, they told me that the Sept build date was only for the non
>> S.R.E. XP-400s, they cannot say when they will actually have a firm date
>> for me, so I am now in need of an engine.
>>
>> Superior, has not phoned since last year, when they once phoned and told
>> me, my build date was going to be missed for last year. I keep calling
>> each time it gets close to the date they told me, and when I call, they
>> do not have a clue what is going on with my build, it takes them hours
>> to call me back with the bad news.
>>
>> But, that is life, time to move on and find something else.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> P.S. Little secret I found out today, their 250hp is figured at 2900rpm!
>> =-O
>>
>> Christopher Barber wrote:
>>> Yeah, what Dave said.  We are still focused on Velocity flying
>>> issues....unlike many other list and forums, we have not fallen into a
>>> political tirade......What I look at while flying is relevant.
>>>
>>> Also, I do not think this is some big discussion about litigation or
>>> slamin'
>>> Blue Mountain, but a conversation of similarly situated folks comparing
>>> notes and bouncing off idea.  Yeah, it may get more involved, but then
>>> again, maybe not.
>>>
>>> FWIW.
>>>
>>> Hi Dave, hope all is well.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Christopher Barber
>>> Attorney and Counselor at Law
>>> 5110 Bissonnet, No 418
>>> Bellaire, Texas 77401
>>>
>>> Serving the Needs of Senior Texans
>>>
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On
>>> Behalf Of David Staten
>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:14 PM
>>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>>
>>>
>>> If it can be installed on a velocity, then I have no problem with it
>>> being discussed here.
>>>
>>> you CAN block an entire thread with your mail client if you choose to.
>>> Or delete.. or just not read it.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Dr. Golf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Please!
>>>> This is a Velocity site, NOT and EFIS site. GRT has
>>>> its own site and I assume all the others have as well.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Joel
>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:48:17 -0600
>> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: JPI, was Re: Fuel Probes
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>> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:50:33 -0600
>> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>> Subject: REFLECTOR: SAP  was Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS
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>> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:35:36 -0700
>> From: "David Ullman" <ullman at robustdecisions.com>
>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS (Dr. Golf)
>> To: <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Message-ID: <200704240301.l3O31SIC031645 at dax.awpi.com>
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>>
>>
>> Dr. David G. Ullman, Phd ME, PE
>> Robust Decisions Inc.
>> 1655 NW Hillcrest Drive
>> Corvallis, Oregon 97330
>> direct 541-754-3609
>> ullman at robustdecisions.com
>> www.robustdecisions.com
>>
>> Speaking as a newbe, the EFIS discussion is very valuable as I will be
>> buying one for my Velocity next year.
>>
>> Dr. David G. Ullman, Phd ME, PE
>> Robust Decisions Inc.
>> 1655 NW Hillcrest Drive
>> Corvallis, Oregon 97330
>> direct 541-754-3609
>> ullman at robustdecisions.com
>> www.robustdecisions.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:18:40 -0500
>> From: "Darrell & Nora Kufalk" <kufalk at wi.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
>> <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Message-ID: <004001c7861f$422493b0$bce7a718 at DarrellK>
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>>
>> More rumors form the BMA message board.  As always, take for what it's
>> worth.
>>
>> This is a report from SnF by Ira Rampil (an Europa driver)...
>>
>> Greg is trying to find a way to replace the transmeta CPU in the G2/3
>> systems with the newer faster type. The G4 processor is 4x faster.
>> So far no joy, but he is not giving up. The current G3/4 CPU is just
>> not fast enough for ADI synth vision and scaling terrain with wx 
>> graphics.
>> I feel the pain here since I am in the same boat with my gold box.
>>
>> I just remind myself that it still works just fine for what it current
>> does
>> and
>> if I really want wx I can add a Lite or a 496 to my panel for that 
>> matter.
>> Speaking of Garmin, were not these the guys who were 3-4 late on their
>> WAAS update and when it finally came they want about $4k for it?
>>
>> Other tidbits for the benefit of all here is to ask technical questions 
>> of
>> Greg, Larry and Ross. Don't bet the farm on the stuff spouted by
>> non-outsiders (that should include me). The boys are often quite amused
>> at what passes for knowledge here, but don't get to correct every ditzel
>> since they are working their buts off improving the product.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Alex
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:05 AM
>> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>
>> They said that they will "support" the old unit as in possible software
>> glitch fixes and the updates to current maps, but no new features, and
>> since
>> they can not get any replacement motherboards, it is just a matter time
>> before the  unit turns to nose ballast. Sheila said that they have been
>> looking for replacement processors for a long time with no luck, but she
>> is
>> still looking- well, that just doesn't instill a lot of confidence for
>> me...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Andrew Ellzey
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:53 AM
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I also have an EFIS-One gold box not yet installed and was also told that
>> they (BM) was working on the range scaling for the map graphics. I also
>> was
>> under the misconception that the G3 units would be supported for many
>> years
>> (software and hardware)or I wouldn't have purchased it.
>>
>> Andy Ellzey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex" <alex157 at pwhome.com>
>> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>
>>
>>> Hi Tom-
>>> I will attempt to collect as many folks as we can for this-  I believe
>>> the
>>> basis for this is that we were definitely misled- I have the old sales
>>> brochure and it says there, and I quote:
>>>
>>> "It Just Gets Better
>>> As new software is developed it will be available for your EIFS one as
>>> part
>>> of our subscription service. The EIFS One is the only instrument in your
>>> panel that just keeps getting better"
>>>
>>> Add to that the rest of the pamphlet that clearly shows the Gold Box
>>> connecting to WX 500 and WSI weather, which it never has and apparently
>>> never will do, and I think that we definitely have false advertising
>>> here-
>>> I have not even installed my unit- only made the cut out in the panel- 
>>> so
>>> they really should not have a problem taking mine back - although they
>>> said
>>> they could "possibly give me some trade in credit" towards a G4- I 
>>> didn't
>>> even ask for the details,  I know it didn't mean that they would not
>>> directly trade it out-
>>> I am not saying that it has no value, I am not saying that it will not
>>> "do
>>> everything it did when I bought it"
>>> Just that the reason I chose to buy it over the other available units 
>>> was
>>> that it would be regularly upgraded with new features as they came 
>>> along.
>>> BM's Larry tried to play lawyer with his "did we specifically tell you
>>> that
>>> you could zoom the maps" so if they want to play that game, I am more
>>> than
>>> willing to participate. I spoke with Dave Bertram, he said that they 
>>> told
>>> him that it would take XM weather in the future. I asked them about that
>>> specifically, they said "can't be done" so that is a direct lie to him 
>>> as
>>> well. I will contact you off the reflector for more details about this-
>>> definitely prepared to chip in to get this situation corrected.........
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom Martino
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:14 PM
>>> To: Velocity List
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> It pissed me off when I found out the "Gold Box" is limited.  However,
>>> even
>>> with its limits it does a great job.  BUT ... I still feel abandoned.
>>>
>>> Greg is very casual about the fact that the board manufacturer is "out 
>>> of
>>> business".
>>>
>>> II realize this happens with a  lot of technology (early adopters are
>>> often
>>> screwed).
>>>
>>> HOWEVER ... What makes this case DIFFERENT is that BMA mislead us into
>>> believing our "gold boxes" would be upgradeable with software.
>>>
>>> So, here is my proposal ... get me names and contact information of 
>>> early
>>> adopters who feel they were mislead and I will pursue a class action law
>>> suit for the sole purpose of getting us newer units.  We may have to 
>>> chip
>>> in
>>> a few bucks for expenses ... but I will not charge any legal fees.
>>>
>>> I was going to this before ... but I did not want to do it for just
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> My email:  tmartino at troubleshooter.com  (I am used to fights like this
>>> ...
>>> TRUST ME).
>>>
>>> Tom Martino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/22/07 8:46 PM, "Alex" <alex157 at pwhome.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well- no effect for those who have not received theirs yet/ or have
>>>> the G4
>>>> unit- so all is well for you guys- my main problem was that the big
>>>> sell ( and I want everyone to tell me if I am wrong about this) is
>>>> that their unit would be software upgradeable to keep it fairly
>>>> current- the only upgrades I have heard anyone getting from Blue
>>>> Mountain have been related to map currency or problem fixes. - they
>>>> claimed when I ordered and paid for mine that it would eventually
>>>> display WX-500 data, and current weather,  and in the future, and that
>>>> they were working out how to display traffic. I received mine in Feb
>>>> of 2006- not too long ago- it is the older style with the separate
>>>> gold box- new units have everything built into the display
>>>> unit- I was watching Greg do his schpeal and noticed that the new
>>>> units have a USB port on the front- so I just asked how exactly I get
>>>> my updates via the internet so get current with the software- he
>>>> determined that I have a
>>>> G2 unit (not sure what happened to G3) and that the technology in that
>>>> box is 10 years old, and NOT Upgradeable, in fact, I found out that
>>>> the manufacturer of the board is no longer in business, so I am not
>>>> sure how long they will be able to support it if there is a physical
>>>> problem. I did find out that I can get a basic terrain view, but it is
>>>> on only a single pre-set scale- I was a bit shocked about this since I
>>>> have flown with a $200 PDA that had fully scaleable mapping, in fact
>>>> it would auto-zoom when you reached your destination so you can see
>>>> where you are in the airport environment. Greg just said repeatedly "
>>>> it does exactly what it did when you bought it" and it isn't his fault
>>>> that the features like WX-500 display (dropped apparently due to lack
>>>> of interest) and weather depiction are never going to be available on a
>>> "gold box" unit, nor is map scaling.
>>>> The second day, I went to visit with them after sleeping on this, and
>>>> spoke with Larry and Sheila about this situation, since Greg was not
>>>> there when I
>>>> arrived- they got pretty agitated with me even asking about this
>>>> subject and gave me a "too bad for you" kind of response- even asked
>>>> me if I had asked anyone at blue mountain specifically if the maps
>>>> zoomed  before I bought it and thereby if they had lied about that- my
>>>> response was that I did not ask because it is such a basic function of
>>>> having a moving map that I would not even think to ask- kind of like
>>>> asking of the radio in your new Mercedes receives FM signals- not to
>>>> mention that EVERY other moving map company represented at SNF - and
>>>> there
>>> were a lot of them - had zoom- and lots of
>>>> other features not present on the $15k Blue mountain-   they just kept
>>>> saying that the hardware in the gold box is 10 old technology,(despite
>>>> the fact that I had it only 14 months),  that not physically
>>>> upgradeable (non- socketed processor and memory) and it was too slow to
>>> allow for map zooming.
>>>>
>>>> My main reason to buy their box was the fact that the magic internal
>>>> workings were software related and would be regularly upgraded as new
>>>> features became available, I believe that this was the basis of their
>>>> sales
>>>> pitch- at least it was to me-  I know I was promised WX display and
>>>> WSI
>>>> weather- even checked their sales brochure when I got home and said
>>>> right there in big letters about that too- so now I will see how many
>>>> other folks have this problem or feel that this is a problem, and take
>>>> it
>>> from there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Richard J. Gentil
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:49 PM
>>>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>>>
>>>> Hey Alex,
>>>>
>>>> I have a new Dual EFIS/ONE waiting for delivery when I am to the point
>>>> of installing my panel.
>>>>
>>>> What did you find out?
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> Alex wrote:
>>>>> Hello Everyone-
>>>>> Just back from Sun N Fun, and I had an "interesting" talk with the
>>>>> Blue Mountain folks about what the system does and does not do, and
>>>>> what they promised would be available for those of us who purchased
>>>>> it- can I please request a show of hands from anyone that has/had one
>>>>> of their EIFS one units for some further discussions on this
>>>>> subject........ Anyone else that is not on the reflector - Rvators 
>>>>> ect.
>>>> would also be helpful to speak with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
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