REFLECTOR: Symposium
dean fitzbag
dfitzbag at msn.com
Sat Mar 4 13:49:16 CST 2006
its GYI. It is not in Dallas, but between Sherman and Denison.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Martin<mailto:christophercmartin at earthlink.net>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Symposium
What is the identifier for the airport in Dallas? I can't find Grayson
County Airport.
Christopher Martin
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> [Original Message]
> From: Wayne <wowens at darientel.net<mailto:wowens at darientel.net>>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> Date: 3/4/2006 10:16:33 AM
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Symposium
>
> Sorry didn't mean to cast aspersions on the symposium. The FAA couldn't
> catch all of us anyway.
> Wayne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Milton Mersky" <miltonm at airmail.net<mailto:miltonm at airmail.net>>
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 12:31 PM
> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>
>
> > Wayne:
> >
> > The airport for the symposium in Dallas is called Grayson County The
> > FAA is still not aware of the airport location. Come to the symposium.
> >
> > milt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> > Behalf Of Wayne
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:22 AM
> > To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
> >
> > One of the wood prop manufacturers sells 'super nine" bolts as his prop
> >
> > bolts. They are more ductile than grade 8 and have higher tensile
> > strength
> > than grade 8 or aircraft bolts. The bolts are also available from MSC
> > and
> > the spec for the locking nut that comes with them is for one time use.
> > The
> > nuts were about $20 for a hundred. My inspector approved them for me.
> > They
> > don't make an MS or AN 1/2 inch bolt in the length I require.
> > Don't think I will be going to Texas if the FAA there is that
> > desperate
> > for something to worry about.
> >
> > Wayne
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Ellzey" <ajlz72756 at yahoo.com<mailto:ajlz72756 at yahoo.com>>
> > To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
> >
> >
> >>I think that the FAA is reaching to say that it is unsafe not to have a
> >
> >>spinner on a pusher aircraft. As far as safety wire on your prop bolts,
> >
> >>they have raised a valid issue. The question is have you ever found
> > your
> >>prop bolts loose? And if so, how many hours had you flown before they
> > were
> >>found? You could add the safety wire and have a schedule for checking
> > your
> >>prop bolts after so many hours. What did the FAA inspector that granted
> > the
> >>experimental certificate say about this issue? You should contact the
> >>inspector that sited you and express your concerns, and your prop
> > makers
> >>original direction of checking the torque before every flight. There is
> > a
> >>reason our aircraft are called experimental. Is this requirement stated
> > in
> >>you aircraft flight manual? If so I would think the FAA would agree
> > that
> >>you are OK. If not, request to add it because of your concerns. You
> > should
> >>get his reply in writing. Keep records of all your communications with
> > the
> >>FAA. If he rules against your concerns, ask what regulation he is using
> > for
> >>his ruling. Let everyone know your findings.
> >>
> >> My personal thoughts, I wouldn't like flying around (without) safety
> > wire
> >> on my prop. I would think that you should know how many hours you
> > could
> >> fly before a re-torque would be needed from your experience on any
> > loose
> >> bolt findings. If you have found that your prop was loose, was it from
> > the
> >> fact that there wasn't any safety wire, or the prop hub compressing? I
> >
> >> wouldn't like either one
> >>
> >> Andy Ellzey A&P
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Wayne" <wowens at darientel.net<mailto:wowens at darientel.net>>
> >> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:56 AM
> >> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
> >>
> >>
> >>> It seems to me that the manufacturer determines whether the aircraft
> >
> >>> requires a spinner.
> >>> Does the 43-13 show anywhere where all aircraft require a spinner?
> >>> Wayne
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Joe Ewen" <jewen at comporium.net<mailto:jewen at comporium.net>>
> >>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:26 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>> Please let us know what you find out. I also have an IVO (not
> > flying
> >>>> yet.) Do you have the electric adjustable? If so, may I ask what
> > spinner
> >>>> you are using.
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "John Dibble" <aminetech at bluefrog.com<mailto:aminetech at bluefrog.com>>
> >>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
> > <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:27 PM
> >>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> While parked in the friendly state of TX last weekend an inspector
> >>>>> determined that
> >>>>> conditions exist that are considered to be an imminent hazard to
> > safety
> >>>>> (hmm, is
> >>>>> safety in danger somehow?) and sent me a notice. Two items are 1-
> > no
> >>>>> prop spinner
> >>>>> installed, and 2- no prop restraint bolts. I have the IVO prop and
> > as
> >>>>> others have
> >>>>> commented, I leave the spinner off because I check the bolt torque
> > each
> >>>>> time I fly. I
> >>>>> contacted IVO. The technical response was that they don't want
> > safety
> >>>>> wire because
> >>>>> they want me to check the torque often. Also they feel the
> > locknuts
> >>>>> and safety tape
> >>>>> between the blades will assure the bolts are tight. Their legal
> >>>>> response was do
> >>>>> whatever the FAA tells me to do.
> >>>>> On the back of the notice is says that there is no penalty if I
> > don't
> >>>>> respond, but
> >>>>> that operation in an unairworthy condition violates FAA
> > regulations.
> >>>>> I will appreciate any comments on what to do.
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
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