REFLECTOR: Safer seats

Tue Sep 27 11:41:48 CDT 2005

            Keith,

            I kind of buy into Ronnie's idea that side support seats
look comfy and provide a snug fit, but would be pretty uncomfortable on
long flights, as we all like to scooch around.  Side support in an air
crash is probably low priority as most of the 'action' is
linear/straightline whereas a an auto or race car is assumed to rock and
roll as well as suffer side impact, so the side support becomes much
more important.  Yes, it's understood that there is always the potential
for some side to side movement in an aircrash, but save for the
occasional cartwheel, most air incidents are straight ahead, hence the
seat/shoulder belts are in good position to do their job even without
positioning by the seat.

Chuck  

-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Keith Hallsten
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

On the other hand, since this all came up in the context of
crashworthiness, those side bolsters would help keep you in position
under the seat belts better than flat seats during the gyrations of a
crash.  Something ELSE to consider!

Keith Hallsten

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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Brown
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:57 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

Great looking seats - however something to consider:

Since most of our turns are coordinated - meaning there is minimal
horizontal G loads - the thigh and shoulder bolsters are not really
needed.  In fact they pretty much lock you into position and can make
the long rides uncomfortable in that you can't move around much.  

Ronnie
	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: robertbuls at aol.com 
	To: reflector at tvbf.org 
	Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:06 PM
	Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

	So Jerry, which are you leaning toward. That bottom one you
suggested looks good. I think I missed any specific reference to memory-
or viscoelastic- foam though. Just said high density, I thought. 
	    Looking forward to Toilet Bowl and detailed crawling around
your XL !
	Bob

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Brainard, Jerry <Jerry.Brainard at anthem.com>
	To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
<reflector at tvbf.org>
	Sent: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:21:24 -0400
	Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
	I have been looking at seats for a couple years.  John you
picked out my favorites when cost is no object.  However, there are many
in the $300-$500 range that are very acceptable.  What you may not have
notices is that these seat also use viscoelastic foam (aka memory foam).
Of course with more structure you get more weight.  These seat are going
to be in the 25-30 lb range.

	Here are some more links:

	http://www.cobraseats.com/item.asp?pg=SP&id=ROAD
	http://www.corbeau.com/prod_index/prod_index.shtml

	A particularly interesting seat in base size.

	http://www.corbeau.com/products/a4/a4.shtml#

	- jerry

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	From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of John Tvedte
	Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:32 PM
	To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
	Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
	Here is an example - fiberglass (unless you have platinum bars -
in which case one can purchase a carbon fiber version).

	These are Sparco Modena seats -  although they are not in
production at this time. (not sure of the dimensions as they are not
published at this time)

	Only $1399ea at PolePosition.

http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DADB35C8-7D5F-4AC4-A9
9D61255E4CA5BA

	Only $3400ea - Carbon Fiber at PolePosition.

http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DA0EA358-F9EF-40A5-86
3AA2799227295C

	John

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org on behalf of Al Gietzen 
	Sent: Thu 9/22/2005 7:43 PM 
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	Subject: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

		There are seats for race cars available that are very
light and designed
		for high speed car crashes.
		------------
		Yeah; I wonder how many bars of gold it would take to
get one (@$470/oz) . .
		.

		Al

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