REFLECTOR: Re: Reflector Digest, Vol 15, Issue 47
Jerry Teitsma
jerryteits at direcway.com
Tue Aug 30 08:38:25 CDT 2005
I have an IVO Magnum prop- and have a spinner although it is not yet
installed. I believe it came from Velocity.
Jerry Teitsma, RRC, RRO, CCCA
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> 1. Re: Engine Plenum (Scott Derrick)
> 2. IVO Spinner (Joe Ewen)
> 3. RE: Flight training (Al Gietzen)
> 4. Re: Engine Plenum (Ron Brown)
> 5. Re: Flight training (Ron Brown)
> 6. Re: Flight training (Scott Derrick)
> 7. RE: Flight training (Pat Shea)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:48:39 -0600
> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Engine Plenum
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> Ron,
>
> So you put a kind of "foot" on the plenum so the sharp edge wasn't
> riding on the case?
>
> How did you hold the plenum down?
>
> thanks,
>
> Scott
>
> Ron Brown wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I did use the factory plenums but I taped up the engine with duct tape
>> where the plenums meet the engine case. Then I laid up two bid from
>> the plenum onto the tape to make a tight fitting seal - but did not
>> use any silicone. I think the silicone gets used when folks are having
>> cooling problems and have to get an airtight seal.
>>
>> My IO360 runs very cool with the set up I have.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Derrick" <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Engine Plenum
>>
>>
>>> Its hard to believe that nobody here has built their plenum with an
>>> improvement over the method shown in the manual?
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Derrick wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was fitting the plenum on my TSIO520 today, cutting and filing to
>>>> get it as low as possible to allow room for a partially modified
>>>> upper standard cowling. After I shortened the upper deck manifold
>>>> and rerouted some of the injection lines I got it as low as
>>>> practicable.
>>>>
>>>> Now I would like to make the edges that contact the engine more
>>>> "rubbing" friendly with some kind of silicone edging, it would be
>>>> nice to have something that slipped over the edge like door seal
>>>> stuff. What are people using? I know I can cut Silicone baffle
>>>> strips and glue and rivet but I thought there might be something a
>>>> bit more cool looking.
>>>>
>>>> I looked on the Velocity site and the gallery and the only thing I
>>>> saw was siliconing(as in gluing) the edges to the engine(YUCK).
>>>>
>>>> Also how are people attaching the firewall, runner to plenum
>>>> assembly. The manual has a direct connection which has no slip joint
>>>> to accommodate the engine moving around.
>>>> Also regarding the runners to the firewall, the manual has us using
>>>> the cowl screws to hold the runner to the firewall. I'm still toying
>>>> with the idea of a groove for the cowl to slip into and doing away
>>>> with all those screws. Any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> I searched my email archives and came up with nada on "plenum" in
>>>> the subject line.
>>>>
>>>> Pictures are of course are greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:14:09 -0400
> From: Joe Ewen <Jewen at Comporium.net>
> Subject: REFLECTOR: IVO Spinner
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> Does anyone currently monitoring the list have an IVO prop. If so I am
> interested to know what spinner was used with it.
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> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:34:04 -0700
> From: "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures at cox.net>
> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Flight training
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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> Probably because he hasn't flown off his 40 hours? Catch 22!
>
> One could make the case that for flight testing this high performance
> aircraft, the experienced CFI is 'essential crewmember'. No?
>
> Al
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:05:03 -0400
> From: "Ron Brown" <romott at adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Engine Plenum
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> Correct. The 2 bid gap filler lays on the case rather than butting up
> against it.
>
> The cylinder wraps (on the bottom of the cylinders) holds the plenum down.
>
> See http://home.sprintmail.com/~romott/page55.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Derrick" <scott at tnstaafl.net>
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Engine Plenum
>
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> So you put a kind of "foot" on the plenum so the sharp edge wasn't riding
>> on the case?
>>
>> How did you hold the plenum down?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Ron Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> I did use the factory plenums but I taped up the engine with duct tape
>>> where the plenums meet the engine case. Then I laid up two bid from the
>>> plenum onto the tape to make a tight fitting seal - but did not use any
>>> silicone. I think the silicone gets used when folks are having cooling
>>> problems and have to get an airtight seal.
>>>
>>> My IO360 runs very cool with the set up I have.
>>>
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Derrick" <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Engine Plenum
>>>
>>>
>>>> Its hard to believe that nobody here has built their plenum with an
>>>> improvement over the method shown in the manual?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott Derrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was fitting the plenum on my TSIO520 today, cutting and filing to
>>>>> get it as low as possible to allow room for a partially modified upper
>>>>> standard cowling. After I shortened the upper deck manifold and
>>>>> rerouted some of the injection lines I got it as low as practicable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I would like to make the edges that contact the engine more
>>>>> "rubbing" friendly with some kind of silicone edging, it would be nice
>>>>> to have something that slipped over the edge like door seal stuff.
>>>>> What are people using? I know I can cut Silicone baffle strips and
>>>>> glue and rivet but I thought there might be something a bit more cool
>>>>> looking.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked on the Velocity site and the gallery and the only thing I saw
>>>>> was siliconing(as in gluing) the edges to the engine(YUCK).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also how are people attaching the firewall, runner to plenum assembly.
>>>>> The manual has a direct connection which has no slip joint to
>>>>> accommodate the engine moving around.
>>>>> Also regarding the runners to the firewall, the manual has us using
>>>>> the
>>>>> cowl screws to hold the runner to the firewall. I'm still toying with
>>>>> the idea of a groove for the cowl to slip into and doing away with all
>>>>> those screws. Any other suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> I searched my email archives and came up with nada on "plenum" in the
>>>>> subject line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pictures are of course are greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:05:51 -0400
> From: "Ron Brown" <romott at adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flight training
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures at cox.net>
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:34 PM
> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Flight training
>
>
>>
>> Probably because he hasn't flown off his 40 hours? Catch 22!
>>
>> One could make the case that for flight testing this high performance
>> aircraft, the experienced CFI is 'essential crewmember'. No?
>>
>> Al
>>
>
> Makes sense!!!
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:10:15 -0600
> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flight training
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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>
> Thats normally not how it works.
>
> When I bought my Bonanza I was required to have 10 hours dual and then
> 10 hours solo before carrying passengers. So I hired a CFI and we flew
> my Bonanza for 10 hours, it was well worth it. Then I flew off my solo
> time. This was what the insurance company suggested. Its much better
> to get instruction in the same plane you will be insuring.
>
> He should be able to fly his V for the first 15 hours as long as he has
> an instructor along. Then he can do his solo time and then he would be
> loosed upon the world of passenger
> flight.
>
> The big question is will they accept any CFI or CFII to do the dual or
> does he need a factory approved CFI like Dave Dent? Or some min hours
> for the CFI to have in make/model.
>
> Scott
>
> Ron Brown wrote:
>
>> Probably because he hasn't flown off his 40 hours? Catch 22!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Derrick" <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flight training
>>
>>
>>> Why don't you use your own plane?
>>>
>>> GORDON PUTNEY wrote:
>>>
>>>> My insurance underwriter insists on 15 hours dual in RG Velocity
>>>> plus 10 hours solo! Anybody know of a way to do this? I have
>>>> already had the factory training but can find no CFI w/access to an
>>>> RG Velocity. These 15 hours could be an instrument refresher.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Pat Shea <xl340hp at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Flight training
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> I got some seriously conflicting opinions on this one!
> Someone at the factory said there's no-way, if the
> sh#@ hits the fan, you're going to be able to justify
> to the FAA that someone was a 'required crew
> member.'On the other hand, my DAR told me that it's
> completely up to me to decide if one was necessary for
> any given flight. In the end, legal or not became
> academic - I went up a couple times with my seasoned
> test pilot before flying alone because I felt it was
> the safest thing to do.
>
> Pat
>
> --- Al Gietzen <ALVentures at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Probably because he hasn't flown off his 40 hours?
>> Catch 22!
>>
>> One could make the case that for flight testing this
>> high performance
>> aircraft, the experienced CFI is 'essential
>> crewmember'. No?
>>
>> Al
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:31:12 -0600
> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flight training
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Message-ID: <4313C4F0.1080309 at tnstaafl.net>
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>
> Ah... Now I get it!! Slow I am!!!
>
> We're talking a newly built airplane, in phase one!!!
>
> hmm..... Now your factory training must count for some of the dual
> hours, however many you got in Florida. If your on teh Left coast the
> Murphees might do it in their XL?
> And Dave said he could, I don't know if he was including his V?
>
> Scott
>
> Scott Derrick wrote:
>
>> Thats normally not how it works.
>>
>> When I bought my Bonanza I was required to have 10 hours dual and then
>> 10 hours solo before carrying passengers. So I hired a CFI and we flew
>> my Bonanza for 10 hours, it was well worth it. Then I flew off my solo
>> time. This was what the insurance company suggested. Its much better
>> to get instruction in the same plane you will be insuring.
>>
>> He should be able to fly his V for the first 15 hours as long as he has
>> an instructor along. Then he can do his solo time and then he would be
>> loosed upon the world of passenger
>> flight.
>>
>> The big question is will they accept any CFI or CFII to do the dual or
>> does he need a factory approved CFI like Dave Dent? Or some min hours
>> for the CFI to have in make/model.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Ron Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Probably because he hasn't flown off his 40 hours? Catch 22!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Derrick" <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flight training
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why don't you use your own plane?
>>>>
>>>> GORDON PUTNEY wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My insurance underwriter insists on 15 hours dual in RG Velocity
>>>>> plus 10 hours solo! Anybody know of a way to do this? I have
>>>>> already had the factory training but can find no CFI w/access to an
>>>>> RG Velocity. These 15 hours could be an instrument refresher.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
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>>>>>
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>>>
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