REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick

John Tvedte JohnT at comp-sol.com
Wed Dec 1 16:57:46 CST 2004 

Another benefit of side sticks - is that they would allow a cut down
center keel - just like the factory yoke system.  This should result in
more room.

I think that the factory yoke system was part of the KARI effort
(Firefly)??  http://www.syhico.com/aero/aero1.htm 

John
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Derrick
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:12 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick

I don't know if I would spend the time and effort to do a center to side
stick mod.

I do plan on installing a right side throttle/mixture when I do my
engine upgrade...

Scott

At 03:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>Malcolm Collier was designing/building a real neat dual side stick 
>system
>- I'm sure I saw some pictures of a completed unit.
>
>Rich - do you know what happened to that option?
>
>Cheers
>
>Greg in sweltering Sydney. (42C over the last two days!)
>
>
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>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:39 AM
>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick
>
>
>>My plane came with the yoke (the last SUV, I think, but I have added 
>>the second door, so now an SE).  I have no real desire to switch from 
>>the yoke (even though I think a $1000.00 premium for what many do not 
>>consider an upgrade is hurting more than helping). I too like the idea

>>of flying left and fiddling right. The loss of panel area is very 
>>secondary to me (even though with the yoke, the big Blue Mountain 
>>would probably not fit but that is ok since the Blue Mountain is not 
>>in my budget <g>)
>>
>>Now, that being said, I do like the idea of a left side stick like the

>>Cirrus.  I spoke with Brandon and he stated it was considered but due 
>>to the slope of the fuselage the left stick would require too many 
>>components and loose the simplicity advantage.  I think he mentioned 
>>it could be done, but you would have to use u-joints etc which cause 
>>some slop in their test. WAY down the road and well after I start 
>>flying, I would give serious consideration to a modification to a left

>>side stick.  BTW, a while back someone posted pictures of a left side 
>>stick.  It was only partially in the picture since the picture was of 
>>the panel. At the time others expressed interest in the left side 
>>stick and hoped more pix of it would be uploaded, but none ever were.
FWIW.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Chris
>>
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On
>>Behalf Of Scott Derrick
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:17 PM
>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick
>>
>>
>>Sorry TEC,  I read your comment
>>
>>I quote "Also, ever tried to "relieve" yourself with a yoke in the 
>>way?  Come to think of it; never mind."
>>
>>and assumed you thought I was proposing that a yoke would be better.  
>>A couple other people implied the same thing in their reply and  guess

>>I lumped you in with them..
>>
>>I think I stated numerous times I much prefer the stick over a yoke,  
>>I just think a center stick is bad engineering compared with a side
stick.
>>
>>As to mounting the radio stack on the left.  That's seems like an odd 
>>solution to the problem of a center stick, but I guess it works as 
>>long as your in the left seat!
>>
>>Since we have 2 front seats I think the plane is much more useful if 
>>both left and right seats can reach most if not all the controls, 
>>isn't that the norm for most modern airplanes??  I realize there are 
>>some old planes with horrendous placement of radios and instruments 
>>but I thought we were trying to correct the mistakes of the past...  I

>>thought that was the thinking behind the center stack??? Easily
reached from either seat.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>At 10:45 AM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>>In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:12:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
>>>scott at tnstaafl.net writes:
>>>Do people actually read these posting??  Or is it a comprehension
thing...
>>>
>>>I never said I wanted to switch to a yoke,  In fact I said quite the 
>>>opposite..
>>>
>>>Sure "You should" have the next freq tuned in ready to go,  ever been

>>>given a different freq than you thought you would?  I have.  Ever 
>>>been real busy and just didn't get to that yet? I have.
>>>
>>>Even if you do have it tuned it, you still have to reach across your 
>>>body or let go of the stick to switch freqs..  And that's a bad
movement.
>>>
>>>Hay; do you even read your own post?? In your senerio;
>>>
>>> >Scenario in my Velocity:  I'm tracking the glideslope down, hand 
>>> >flying,  Approach says "contact tower"..  I now have to (1) reach 
>>> >across with my left hand and dial/switch the radio, (2)  let go of 
>>> >the stick >and switch with my right hand
>>>
>>>That is what I was responding to and that only.  I saw this radio 
>>>problem in 89 when I started building my Velocity.  As a commercial 
>>>helicopter pilot I and am quite familiar with reaching.  That is why 
>>>I mounted all my radios (Terra) single stack on the LEFT side of the 
>>>six-pack along with the nav. heads.  I have had no reaching in the 10

>>>years I have been flying
>>it.
>>>
>>>I suggest before you start flaming people, read your own posts that 
>>>are being respond to.  How many of these scenarios in your Velocity 
>>>have you had that were unmanageable?
>>>
>>>TEC
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>>
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