REFLECTOR: Crossflow Aero Engine Debacle

Cindie Alexander-Paschal alcon at bellsouth.net
Fri Aug 27 13:37:47 CDT 2004


Alex, we are loacted in Cartersville, Georgia (close to Rome, Ga.)

Alex Balic wrote:

> Ed,
>  
> Where are you located?
>  
> Alex
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
>     [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On Behalf Of Cindie
>     Alexander-Paschal
>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:03 PM
>     To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>     Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Crossflow Aero Engine Debacle
>
>     Doug, We believe that we e-mailed you about our Crossflow engine,
>     maybe not. Well anyway. We ordered ours in 2003 after Oshkosh.
>     with a deliver date of January?? We did have some troubles with
>     the dates that kept changing but finally received our engine in
>     April 2004. Now we just hung the engine so as far as any problems
>     we can not attest to that. We do have to speak up for Crossflow as
>     enough though the engine was not exactly on time we have it on our
>     Velocity. Jorge did tell us that as soon as we where ready he
>     personally would come down and do whatever it is that we need help
>     with. We had a bad experience with another engine company and we
>     were very leery of ordering again. Again our engine sure looks
>     good (hope that it runs as good). We will update you as to the
>     performance as we move ahead. Also the radiator has to have a
>     modification to fit in our cowling, Jorge is working on this. 
>     Hope you have better news next e-mail   Ed Paschal
>
>     DOHAYES at aol.com wrote:
>
>>     Dear Reflectorites -
>>      
>>     I noticed that Crossflow Aero has been advertising in Sport
>>     Aviation with increasingly larger and more prominent page space,
>>     which is nice, because it means they are at least pretending to
>>     be in business. Has anyone out there ever ordered and received an
>>     engine from them, or even know anyone who has? Did anyone see
>>     their booth at Oshkosh? Do they even have an engine to show, much
>>     less to sell? Are there any Canadians out there, who live near
>>     Toronto, who know a way to put pressure on them? I ordered my
>>     engine in October of 2001. Has anyone else had to wait three
>>     years for an engine?
>>      
>>     As some of you may remember, I brought this up a few months
>>     ago, and have so far only received numerous promises that it will
>>     be shipped in two weeks. When nothing shows up, I call and am
>>     very calmly given another date, with no mention of what happened
>>     to the last one. I tried the firm approach, but it only got me
>>     shock and dismay at my rude and offensive behavior for a
>>     response. My current patient approach doesn't seem to be working
>>     either, so I need to try something else.
>>      
>>     I'd appreciate any help or advice anyone can provide in this
>>     matter. I'm thinking of sending portions of this letter to Sport
>>     Aviation's advertising department, in case Crossflow is in fact
>>     only in the business of taking money. They can hardly be expected
>>     to make any guarantees about their advertisers, but I think
>>     they'd like to know if something bad was happening. I suppose
>>     Crossflow could be experiencing backlogs or technical
>>     difficulties, but repeatedly making promises they can't keep is
>>     hardly the way to handle that.
>>      
>>     For those who are interested, here is a little more background:
>>     The engine was supposed to be delivered six months after placing
>>     the order, but there was nothing in the contract to that effect,
>>     so that's really only a starting point. They asked for the second
>>     payment in February of 2002, so at that point everything seemed
>>     to be on track. Around that time, my painter completely ruined my
>>     Velocity, abandoned half of it in a hangar two hundred miles
>>     away, and left town. As I had no use for an engine while I was
>>     sanding off paint, I didn't put any pressure on Crossflow when I
>>     didn't hear from them during the rest of 2002. Once, I called to
>>     make sure they were still in business and some tech told me that
>>     they had lost their reduction unit provider and were building
>>     their own. As that seemed reasonable, I forgave them for the
>>     delay, but not for the fact that they didn't bother to tell me.
>>     In the later part of 2003, my next painter seemed to be closing
>>     in on fixing the mess the first one had made, so I called
>>     Crossflow to check on the status of my engine. No one who knew
>>     anything was there, but Jorge called back and expressed his
>>     surprise that I had been waiting for so long without any
>>     explanation, apologized, and promised that my engine would be
>>     shipped in two weeks. A month or so later, Anna, who had taken my
>>     initial order, told me that Jorge was wrong, but that they would
>>     have my engine ready in two weeks. She is very pleasant, and we
>>     discussed what had happened up to that point, including the fact
>>     that other than not being told what was going on, I wasn't
>>     particularly upset about not having my engine, due to problems
>>     with painters. A couple of months later, after several more two
>>     week delivery dates came and went, I tried my firm approach,
>>     attacking their completely lack of communication with their
>>     customers and inability to live up to numerous promises on
>>     delivery dates, in a letter even longer than this one. Anna was
>>     shocked and dismayed, called my statements appalling,
>>     slanderous, and untrue, and said she couldn't believe I would say
>>     such things considering the pleasant and professional
>>     relationship we had built up over the years. When she calmed
>>     down, her only explanation was that she thought I didn't want my
>>     engine until my painter was finished and that she was waiting for
>>     me to let her know when I was ready. Seeing that I would get
>>     nowhere being firm, I told her I was ready, and she asked for the
>>     final payment in April of 2004. According to the contract, the
>>     final payment is to be made when the engine is ready for
>>     shipment. Once she had the payment she told me they would ship my
>>     engine in two weeks. She has said the same thing many times since
>>     April, and still no engine. The last promised shipment date was
>>     in July, but she added that they were getting ready for Oshkosh
>>     and that they were waiting for Velocity to provide them with some
>>     dimensions. I realized then that she was lying about the delivery
>>     date, and decided to come up with a new plan before calling her
>>     again. Obviously, I have made several mistakes in dealing with
>>     them, including: admitting I didn't mind the initial delay,
>>     trusting them, and sending the final payment without some kind of
>>     guarantee that they were actually going to send me an engine in
>>     return. But these are hardly mistakes that harm Crossflow, so I
>>     don't know what they could blame me for, other than causing a
>>     misunderstanding or two.
>>      
>>     To anyone who has made it this far: any suggestions?
>>      
>>     Doug Hayes
>>     Velocity 173FG (in limbo)
>>     Boulder, CO
>>
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