REFLECTOR:New Marketing Slogan
Dennis Martin
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What red-blooded male wouldn't want a mistress that turns you on, and
your wife encourages you keep seeing her. Kudos to Fred.
Best,
Dennis
FADEC, Chevy-powered FG
>Fred said;
>
>"The climb and reach
>altitude and level function was a complete orgasm".
>
>Yes!!!!!...my incentive restored to get building at a furious pace
>while I'm still able!!
>
>...to build or....
>
>;^)
>
>Greg in Sydney.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fred Marconi" <<mailto:fmarconi@bellsouth.net>fmarconi@bellsouth.net>
>To: <<mailto:reflector@tvbf.org>reflector@tvbf.org>
>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:51 PM
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
>
> >
>> Dear Scott B:
>>
>> Well I was a little angry about the fork. Mad Mike, before leaving was
>> very emphatic about changing the fork, he said there was a new one, much
>> better. I called you on this specifically and you said everything was fine.
>> If there was a question, why did yu not call mad Mike to make sure
>> everything was OK.? If not for wishing to center the wheel on the fork I
>> would not have noticed what was happening. This is why the bolt did not
>> turn, I spoke to you about that as well. In any event it's my fault for not
>> reading the V-News but then again what of the clients that are not
>> subscribed. Well I have read the V-News but did not pick up on this. On
>> another note if this is such an issue as with car companies that have
>> thousands upon thousands of clients, when a defect is noticed, they have
>> knowledge of who bought what and they notify the client directly. There
>> should have been a record of when I bought the fork and what fork and if
>> this was such an issue to the well being of the client and the factory I
>> should have been notified by mail. When it comes to sending me a bill there
>> is never a delay. THAT VELOCITY KEEPS GOOD TRACK OFF.
>>
>> Scott on these issues the company need to take a greater role in
>> notifying the client. YOu know how concientious I have been. Rest assured
>> that if I would have recieved a note form Velocity on this I would have
>> taken action. I did not hesitate to spend over $7000.00 for a new wing. I
>> still love you, YOU ARE GREAT!
>>
>> Now on the brakes. Really these Matcos are.....Well what can I say. I
>> mean I can land in 2500' with as little experience as I have, but the brakes
>> do leave a lot to be desired. It Chuck is right about the Clevelands the
>> company should not be recommending or selling the Matco's We do not need to
>> be worried about overheating the brakes and damaging our main gear if there
>> is a better alternative.
>>
>> On a better note, I have 0.7 hours to go for the sign off. The plane has
>> performed beautifully. today I did alot of x-wind landings, at Pohokee I
>> landed with a 90 degree 15-18 mile x-wing. I love how the plane handles. I
>> love to fly this plane, it's a rush.
>>
>> I do have a problem with the s-Tec autopilot. On the roll control the
>> plane bobs constantly from right to left. The ailerons just keep on going
>> up and down. The oscilations are small and very anoying. Nathan had
>> adjusted the ailerons slightly down, after flying the plane they as 3/16" up
>> both. I am going to tighten the cables and readjust the ailerons to a down
>> position. What input do you have for me on this issue. The climb and reach
>> altitude and level function was a complete orgasm.
>>
>> I practice on some high approaches on final and fast slow descent then
>> nosing down to 100 then smoothing her in. This plane handles great!!!!
>> Would be interesting to see how she might perform with vortex generators and
>> fences.
>>
>> Fred
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Baker" <<mailto:sbakr@comcast.net>sbakr@comcast.net>
>> To: <<mailto:reflector@tvbf.org>reflector@tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
>>
>>
>> > Fred,
>> > I don't think it's quite fair for anyone to criticize the factory
>> for a
> > > busted nose wheel fork if it is of the old (smaller) design. The
>> factory
>> > has mentioned this time after time after time in the VV that the old
>> forks
>> > should be replaced. The factory subsidized the cost of the new forks.
>> If
>> > someone is operating an old fork today - they are ignoring the warning
>> from
>> > the factory. So please don't lay blame on the factory for an "almost
>> > mishap" when your older fork developed a crack.
>> > In regards to the main wheel getting stuck on the lip at the bottom
>> of
>> > the wheel well. This was caused as you know when the main gear leg
>> warped
>> > when it became overheated after being exposed to the excessively hot
>> heat
>> > from the brakes. Overheated brakes and the problems that come from
>> > overheated brakes has also been the subject of repeated articles in the
>> > Velocity Views. If you ride the brakes or do repeated hard braking, a
>> lot
>> > of heat develops around the brake disk, which is then transferred to the
>> > gear leg. Too much heat leads to a softening of the gear legs. And if
>> > there is any stress on the gear legs when they are soft, the legs will
>> warp
>> > to relieve the stress. We need to a) understand that this situation is
>> > possible, b) try to avoid overheating the brakes, and c) when the brakes
>> are
>> > overheated, do something about it like throwing a wet towel around the
>> leg
>> > and/or pulling the aircraft forward about 15' after it has been stopped
>> so
>> > that the pressures on the gear leg are neutralized, and lastly d) look
>> for a
>> > warped leg during the preflight, just in case a,b,and c have been
>> ignored.
>> > If the wheel or lower portion of the gear leg looks crooked, the
>> geometry of
>> > the gear has obviously changed - and therefore the clearances of the
>> gear
>> > going into the wheel well will be changed and there is a possibility of
>> > getting wheel stuck in the well. The lip at the wheel well presents a
>> ledge
>> > where hardware can catch and hang-up when this happens - so yes, I agree
>> > with you that not having a lip is better than having a lip - but
>> eliminating
>> > the lip does not eliminate the possibility of a stuck gear ... the tire
>> > could easily wedge itself against the wheel well and the gear could be
>> stuck
>> > to the point that it might not come down. Again the root of this
>> paragraph
>> > was overheated brakes and warped gear legs.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Fred Marconi"
>><<mailto:fmarconi@bellsouth.net>fmarconi@bellsouth.net>
>> > To: <<mailto:reflector@tvbf.org>reflector@tvbf.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:45 AM
>> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
>> >
>> >
>> > > Scott: Insurances for Velocity are provided at with a 10%
>> deductible.
>> > At
>> > > that I felt that it was not wise to take hull coverage.
>> > >
>> > > Velocity has a bad record, and I have to say that this is in part
>> the
>> > > factory's fault. The initial fork that was used for the front wheel
>> was a
>> > > bad desigh. It took many accidents before they decided to change.
>> > > Insurances did not forget this. The landing gear system can be better
>> > > designed, the factory is slow to change, we pay the insurance price.
>> > >
>> > > I was one of the lucky ones, I cought the crack on the old fork
>> before a
>> > > mishap, I do have to thank the company for offering me a replacement
>> for
>> > the
>> > > new desigh at no charge. The mains, well they got stuck on me and
>> > > fortunatelly I had someone in the plane and we knocked them loose.
>> The
>> > > wheel got cought on the inbord lip of the strake. The camber had
>> changed
>> > 2
>> > > degrees, enough to cause a problem. I removed the lip and will add
>> the
>> > > material to the skirt. This skirts need to be redisigned, they would
>> not
>> > > hear of this.
>> > >
>> > > Fred
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Scott Derrick"
>><<mailto:scott@tnstaafl.net>scott@tnstaafl.net>
>> > > To: <<mailto:reflector@tvbf.org>reflector@tvbf.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:01 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Don,
>> > > >
>> > > > What a drag!!! IN more ways than one!! Sorry for the bad joke,
>> > > >
>> > > > Having just been through a nose up landing because of a stuck up
>> nose
>> > > gear
>> > > > I feel some of your pain. THough I didn't trash a prop, I'm still
>> > > > reshaping the nose, rebuilding the nose gear doors, and completely
>> > > > replacing the nose gear assembly so I have the latest and greatest
>> > > > equipment.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don;t have in-flight insurance so I'm doig htis out of pocket.
>> Not
>> > to
>> > > > bad really, but a trashed MT would have been pricey!
>> > > >
>> > > > Hope you figure out why it didn't lock. What year was your kit?
>> > > >
>> > > > Scott
>> > > >
>> > > > > I had the main gear on my 173RGE collapse on landing this
>> afternoon.
>> > > At
>> > > > > first glance the damage doesn't seem to be too bad. A ground up
>> > belly
>> > > and
>> > > > > a trashed MT prop.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It is really too soon to do much speculation as to the cause
>> until I
>> > > have
>> > > > > had a chance to examine it more carefully. However, at this
>> point
>> > it
>> > > > > looks as though the overcenter linkage may simply not have
>> latched
>> > > > > properly. I can't really say whether I had two greens on the
>> gear
>> > > lights
>> > > > > or not, but I am sure that I didn't have a red light.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I will report back if and when I have more definite information
>> as
>> > to
>> > > what
>> > > > > happened.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Donald Royer
>> > > > > <mailto:djroyer@earthlink.net>djroyer@earthlink.net
>> > > >
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<div>What red-blooded male wouldn't want a mistress that turns you on,
and your wife encourages you keep seeing her. Kudos to Fred.
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Dennis</div>
<div>FADEC, Chevy-powered FG</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Fred said;</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><i>"The climb and reach<br>
altitude and level function was a complete orgasm".</i><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Yes!!!!!...my incentive restored to get
building at a furious pace while I'm still able!!</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>...to build or....</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>;^)</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Greg in Sydney.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>----- Original Message -----</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>From: "Fred Marconi" <<a
href="mailto:fmarconi@bellsouth.net">fmarconi@bellsouth.net</a>></blockquote
>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>To: <<a
href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</a>></blockquote
>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:51
PM</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear
Up</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>><br>
> Dear Scott B:<br>
><br>
> Well I was a little angry about the fork. Mad
Mike, before leaving was<br>
> very emphatic about changing the fork, he said there was a new
one, much<br>
> better. I called you on this specifically and you said
everything was fine.<br>
> If there was a question, why did yu not call mad Mike to make
sure<br>
> everything was OK.? If not for wishing to center the
wheel on the fork I<br>
> would not have noticed what was happening. This is why the
bolt did not<br>
> turn, I spoke to you about that as well. In any event it's
my fault for not<br>
> reading the V-News but then again what of the clients that are
not<br>
> subscribed. Well I have read the V-News but did not pick up
on this. On<br>
> another note if this is such an issue as with car companies that
have<br>
> thousands upon thousands of clients, when a defect is noticed,
they have<br>
> knowledge of who bought what and they notify the client
directly. There<br>
> should have been a record of when I bought the fork and what fork
and if<br>
> this was such an issue to the well being of the client and the
factory I<br>
> should have been notified by mail. When it comes to sending
me a bill there<br>
> is never a delay. THAT VELOCITY KEEPS GOOD TRACK OFF.<br>
><br>
> Scott on these issues the company need to take
a greater role in<br>
> notifying the client. YOu know how concientious I have
been. Rest assured<br>
> that if I would have recieved a note form Velocity on this I
would have<br>
> taken action. I did not hesitate to spend over $7000.00 for
a new wing. I<br>
> still love you, YOU ARE GREAT!<br>
><br>
> Now on the brakes. Really these Matcos
are.....Well what can I say. I<br>
> mean I can land in 2500' with as little experience as I have, but
the brakes<br>
> do leave a lot to be desired. It Chuck is right about
the Clevelands the<br>
> company should not be recommending or selling the Matco's
We do not need to<br>
> be worried about overheating the brakes and damaging our main
gear if there<br>
> is a better alternative.<br>
><br>
> On a better note, I have 0.7 hours to go for the sign
off. The plane has<br>
> performed beautifully. today I did alot of x-wind landings,
at Pohokee I<br>
> landed with a 90 degree 15-18 mile x-wing. I love how the
plane handles. I<br>
> love to fly this plane, it's a rush.<br>
><br>
> I do have a problem with the s-Tec autopilot.
On the roll control the<br>
> plane bobs constantly from right to left. The ailerons just
keep on going<br>
> up and down. The oscilations are small and very anoying.
Nathan had<br>
> adjusted the ailerons slightly down, after flying the plane they
as 3/16" up<br>
> both. I am going to tighten the cables and readjust the
ailerons to a down<br>
> position. What input do you have for me on this issue.
The climb and reach<br>
> altitude and level function was a complete orgasm.<br>
><br>
> I practice on some high approaches on final and fast
slow descent then<br>
> nosing down to 100 then smoothing her in. This plane
handles great!!!!<br>
> Would be interesting to see how she might perform with vortex
generators and<br>
> fences.<br>
><br>
> Fred<br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Scott Baker" <<a
href="mailto:sbakr@comcast.net">sbakr@comcast.net</a>><br>
> To: <<a
href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:27 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up<br>
><br>
><br>
> > Fred,<br>
> > I don't think it's quite
fair for anyone to criticize the factory<br>
> for a</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>> > busted nose wheel
fork if it is of the old (smaller) design. The<br>
> factory<br>
> > has mentioned this time after time after time in
the VV that the old<br>
> forks<br>
> > should be replaced. The factory subsidized
the cost of the new forks.<br>
> If<br>
> > someone is operating an old fork today - they
are ignoring the warning<br>
> from<br>
> > the factory. So please don't lay blame on
the factory for an "almost<br>
> > mishap" when your older fork developed a
crack.<br>
> > In regards to the main
wheel getting stuck on the lip at the bottom<br>
> of<br>
> > the wheel well. This was caused as you
know when the main gear leg<br>
> warped<br>
> > when it became overheated after being exposed to
the excessively hot<br>
> heat<br>
> > from the brakes. Overheated brakes and the
problems that come from<br>
> > overheated brakes has also been the subject of
repeated articles in the<br>
> > Velocity Views. If you ride the brakes or
do repeated hard braking, a<br>
> lot<br>
> > of heat develops around the brake disk, which is
then transferred to the<br>
> > gear leg. Too much heat leads to a
softening of the gear legs. And if<br>
> > there is any stress on the gear legs when they
are soft, the legs will<br>
> warp<br>
> > to relieve the stress. We need to a)
understand that this situation is<br>
> > possible, b) try to avoid overheating the
brakes, and c) when the brakes<br>
> are<br>
> > overheated, do something about it like throwing
a wet towel around the<br>
> leg<br>
> > and/or pulling the aircraft forward about 15'
after it has been stopped<br>
> so<br>
> > that the pressures on the gear leg are
neutralized, and lastly d) look<br>
> for a<br>
> > warped leg during the preflight, just in case
a,b,and c have been<br>
> ignored.<br>
> > If the wheel or lower portion of the gear leg
looks crooked, the<br>
> geometry of<br>
> > the gear has obviously changed - and therefore
the clearances of the<br>
> gear<br>
> > going into the wheel well will be changed and
there is a possibility of<br>
> > getting wheel stuck in the well. The lip
at the wheel well presents a<br>
> ledge<br>
> > where hardware can catch and hang-up when this
happens - so yes, I agree<br>
> > with you that not having a lip is better than
having a lip - but<br>
> eliminating<br>
> > the lip does not eliminate the possibility of a
stuck gear ... the tire<br>
> > could easily wedge itself against the wheel well
and the gear could be<br>
> stuck<br>
> > to the point that it might not come down.
Again the root of this<br>
> paragraph<br>
> > was overheated brakes and warped gear legs.<br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > From: "Fred Marconi" <<a
href="mailto:fmarconi@bellsouth.net">fmarconi@bellsouth.net</a>><br
>
> > To: <<a
href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</a>><br>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:45 AM<br>
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > Scott: Insurances for
Velocity are provided at with a 10%<br>
> deductible.<br>
> > At<br>
> > > that I felt that it was not wise to take
hull coverage.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Velocity has a bad record, and
I have to say that this is in part<br>
> the<br>
> > > factory's fault. The initial fork
that was used for the front wheel<br>
> was a<br>
> > > bad desigh. It took many accidents
before they decided to change.<br>
> > > Insurances did not forget this. The
landing gear system can be better<br>
> > > designed, the factory is slow to change, we
pay the insurance price.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I was one of the lucky ones, I
cought the crack on the old fork<br>
> before a<br>
> > > mishap, I do have to thank the company for
offering me a replacement<br>
> for<br>
> > the<br>
> > > new desigh at no charge. The mains,
well they got stuck on me and<br>
> > > fortunatelly I had someone in the plane and
we knocked them loose.<br>
> The<br>
> > > wheel got cought on the inbord lip of the
strake. The camber had<br>
> changed<br>
> > 2<br>
> > > degrees, enough to cause a problem. I
removed the lip and will add<br>
> the<br>
> > > material to the skirt. This skirts
need to be redisigned, they would<br>
> not<br>
> > > hear of this.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Fred<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ----- Original Message
-----<br>
> > > From: "Scott Derrick"
<<a href="mailto:scott@tnstaafl.net">scott@tnstaafl.net</a>><br>
> > > To: <<a
href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</a>></blockquote
>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>> > >
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:01 PM<br>
> > > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear
Up<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Don,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > What a drag!!! IN more
ways than one!! Sorry for the bad joke,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Having just been through a
nose up landing because of a stuck up<br>
> nose<br>
> > > gear<br>
> > > > I feel some of your pain.
THough I didn't trash a prop, I'm still<br>
> > > > reshaping the nose,
rebuilding the nose gear doors, and completely<br>
> > > > replacing the nose gear
assembly so I have the latest and greatest<br>
> > > > equipment.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I don;t have in-flight
insurance so I'm doig htis out of pocket.<br>
> Not<br>
> > to<br>
> > > > bad really, but a trashed
MT would have been pricey!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Hope you figure out why it
didn't lock. What year was your kit?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Scott<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > > I had the main gear
on my 173RGE collapse on landing this<br>
> afternoon.<br>
> > > At<br>
> > > > > first glance the
damage doesn't seem to be too bad. A ground up<br>
> > belly<br>
> > > and<br>
> > > > > a trashed MT
prop.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > It is really too soon
to do much speculation as to the cause<br>
> until I<br>
> > > have<br>
> > > > > had a chance to
examine it more carefully. However, at this<br>
> point<br>
> > it<br>
> > > > > looks as though the
overcenter linkage may simply not have<br>
> latched<br>
> > > > > properly. I can't
really say whether I had two greens on the<br>
> gear<br>
> > > lights<br>
> > > > > or not, but I am sure
that I didn't have a red light.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > I will report back if
and when I have more definite information<br>
> as<br>
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> > > what<br>
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> > > > ><br>
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