REFLECTOR:173 Front Seat Ballast

Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:11:35 -0400

Congratulations Kevin!!!

My empty weight is close to yours (mine is still in primer), at 1485.  With
your 147 lbs and 65 in the co-pilot's seat, my CG would be 1" too far aft.
Perhaps I need to get the scales out again.  Thanks for the info!

I know you are getting excited about flying SOON!!!

Enjoy!
Ronnie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Velocity_AZ" <velocity_AZ@cox.net>
To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:173 Front Seat Ballast

> Ronnie,
>
> We just completed W&B on our 173 FG. (has M-T prop and quite a heavy
panel)
>
> Empty Weight - 1505 lbs.
>
> My weight and balance says that I need 25-30 lbs in the nose (18" aft) to
> fly within the envelope (I weight 147 lbs.) or 65 lbs in the co-pilot
seat.
>
> I plan on using lead shot bags.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin Steiner
> Scottsdale, AZ
> Just received our airworthiness certificate this morning!!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf
Of
> Ronnie Brown
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:55 PM
> To: reflector@tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR:173 Front Seat Ballast
>
> My weight and balance on my 173 Elite RG with 200 HP Lycoming and Catto
Prop
> says I should fly with 40-50 lbs of ballast in the co-pilot floor when I
am
> flying by myself - I weigh 190 lbs.  I recall Alan Shaw saying that the
aft
> CG limit was too conservative due to the flat stall problem, which had
been
> over corrected.  I am using a camping water tank that holds 5 gallons, but
> it is leaking and sure is a pain.
>
> Is anyone flying without ballast and weighs less than 200 lbs in a 173?
>
> THANKS!
> Ronnie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Derrick" <scott@tnstaafl.net>
> To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Storm Scope Probe
>
>
> > Your cell phone will work in the plane, but your service provider will
> > be royally pissed if you use it regularly and probably cancel your
> account.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Dave Scharfenberg wrote:
> > > A friend just showed me his new cell phone.  He can get color radar
all
> over
> > > the country for $3 / month.  He said there is a "pilot" plan that
gives
> you
> > > metars, tafs, etc. for $9 / month.  All you have to do is figure out
how
> to
> > > get your cell phone to work in the plane.
> > >
> > > Dave Scharfenberg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > on 6/12/03 12:20 PM, Ronnie Brown at romott@adelphia.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>That's what I'm waiting for.  I made room for a strike finder or
WX-500
> to
> > >>link to my Garmin 430 but I'm waiting for a satellite or land based
> system
> > >>to display just what you mentioned - at a lower cost.  The technology
is
> > >>coming FAST.  There are several alternatives out there now and
> competition
> > >>breeds lower prices and better capabilities.  The data may be a bit
> slower,
> > >>but the "view" of the strike finders and WX-500's is limited to pretty
> much
> > >>the line in front of you, not much behind that.
> > >>
> > >>Ronnie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Dave Scharfenberg" <dave@winco.net>
> > >>To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
> > >>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:36 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Storm Scope Probe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I occasionally fly a King Air 200 equipped with the Bendix / King
> display
> > >>>that shows radar images similar to a DTN screen.  I think the signal
is
> > >>>uplinked from the ground.  It always works well and is great for
> getting
> > >>
> > >>the
> > >>
> > >>>big picture, which is what we need for avoiding the weather
completely.
> > >>
> > >>The
> > >>
> > >>>unit also displays onboard radar, traffic, terrain, metars, moving
map,
> > >>>stormscope returns, and probably some stuff I haven't found yet.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Scharfenberg
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>on 6/11/03 9:30 AM, Alexander Balic at alex157@direcway.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>I was also, thinking
> > >>>>about Bob Wood's suggestion about the Satellite weather downlink- it
> > >>>
> > >>looks
> > >>
> > >>>>really good, but my concern about it is that you are relying on your
> > >>>
> > >>weather
> > >>
> > >>>>data from an external source, and perhaps it is on a different
> frequency
> > >>>>than other satellite links, but I know that my sat TV, and my Sat
> > >>>
> > >>internet
> > >>
> > >>>>uplink both go down during bad weather, so I would have some concern
> > >>>
> > >>about
> > >>
> > >>>>reception of the signals just when you really need them most.....
> anyone
> > >>>>have any experience with that? I'd like to hear about it, because if
> the
> > >>>>signals are reliable in lightning infested areas, then maybe it
would
> be
> > >>>
> > >>a
> > >>
> > >>>>good alternative.
> > >>>
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