REFLECTOR:Cleveland Brakes
Chuck Jensen
reflector@tvbf.org
Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:52:19 -0400
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Oh, by the way, anyone interested in buy some really good Matco brake and
wheel assemblies. Their great!!! They'll stop on a dime and give you
change. You can trust me. I wouldn't lie to you.
All kidding aside, I think the Matcos 600s with the "kit" is a fine fit for
standards with smaller engines and all. Unfortunately, with the 300hp in a
XL RG, the greater weight and higher landing speeds is just a greater
challenge for the brakes that makes the Matcos a little more marginal on
short fields.
All kidding aside, I will be selling the Matcos in the near future.
Chuck
N27GV
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From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf Of
Chuck Jensen
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:05 AM
To: 'reflector@tvbf.org'
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Cleveland Brakes
I'm glad to hear they make a difference! Setting aside all the other
issues, its obvious the Clevelands have a significant mechanical advantage
over the Matcos in that they squeeze on the outer radius of the rotor while
Matcos squeeze on the inner radius. By calculations on the back of the
envelope, that's a 25% to 30% mechanical gain right there. In addition,
with the Cleveland pads and hardware being out there in the air stream,
cooling should be markedly better than the Matcos, which are kind of
"internal" to the wheel and rotor.
And, as far as simplicity of installation, there certainly is no comparison.
Replacing pads on a Matco makes you wish you had 3 hands instead of 10
thumbs.
The real driving force for the decision for me was the extra weight of the
XL RG 300. I want to be able to leave skid marks if I'm too ham-handed to
nail the numbers on a really short field. In addition to stopping ability,
the extra load put on the brakes for the differential braking for steering
certainly adds to the heat load and fading of more marginal breaks.
Chuck
N27GV
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From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf Of
OddJ@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Cleveland Brakes
Yes, they help to shield the gear leg from the heat. Install by drilling 4
holes and install between gear leg and backing plate.
I just replaced my Matcos and the difference is remarkable.
Odd Jorgensen
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<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Oh, by
the way, anyone interested in buy some really good Matco brake and wheel
assemblies. Their great!!! They'll stop on a dime and give you
change. You can trust me. I wouldn't lie to you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>All
kidding aside, I think the Matcos 600s with the "kit" is a fine fit for
standards with smaller engines and all. Unfortunately, with the 300hp in a
XL RG, the greater weight and higher landing speeds is just a greater challenge
for the brakes that makes the Matcos a little more marginal on short
fields.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>All
kidding aside, I will be selling the Matcos in the near
future.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=327581315-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>N27GV</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> reflector-admin@tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Chuck
Jensen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:05 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'reflector@tvbf.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: REFLECTOR:Cleveland
Brakes<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm
glad to hear they make a difference! Setting aside all the other issues,
its obvious the Clevelands have a significant mechanical advantage over the
Matcos in that they squeeze on the outer radius of the rotor while Matcos
squeeze on the inner radius. By calculations on the back of the
envelope, that's a 25% to 30% mechanical gain right there. In addition,
with the Cleveland pads and hardware being out there in the air stream,
cooling should be markedly better than the Matcos, which are kind of
"internal" to the wheel and rotor.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And,
as far as simplicity of installation, there certainly is no comparison.
Replacing pads on a Matco makes you wish you had 3 hands instead of 10
thumbs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
real driving force for the decision for me was the extra weight of the XL RG
300. I want to be able to leave skid marks if I'm too ham-handed to
nail the numbers on a really short field. In addition to stopping
ability, the extra load put on the brakes for the differential braking for
steering certainly adds to the heat load and fading of more marginal
breaks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>N27GV</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=753051914-03072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> reflector-admin@tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>OddJ@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:27
AM<BR><B>To:</B> reflector@tvbf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
REFLECTOR:Cleveland Brakes<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Yes,
they help to shield the gear leg from the heat. Install by drilling 4 holes
and install between gear leg and backing plate. <BR>I just replaced my
Matcos and the difference is remarkable.<BR>Odd Jorgensen</FONT>
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