REFLECTOR:Vortex Generators on XL

KeithHallsten reflector@tvbf.org
Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:47:13 -0800


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Jim,

Yes, the VGs wouldn't be exactly parallel to the airflow at cruise, =
although we really have no need of anything to help keep the flow =
attached at lower angles of attack.  The real reason is to make sure =
there is sufficient deflection of the flow while flying at a high angle =
of attack to generate a good vortex!

I'll be interested any any results of trials with trailing edge fences.  =
As I recall, previous experiments showed them to have good potential to =
help keep the ailerons effective.

Keith
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jim Sower=20
  To: reflector@tvbf.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 10:03 PM
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Vortex Generators on XL


  Keith,=20
  Parallel VGs on the main wing makes a lot of sense.  I would intuit =
that a little angle (in a direction that would deflect airflow toward =
the root) would be nice since it would generate *something* at cruise =
and keep the flow attached (haven't thought it through enough to explain =
why this might be important :o).  Closer spacing of the main wing VGs =
might also help.  I'll run it by Jim P.  I'm also toying with the idea =
of bracketing the ailerons with fences ala' Vari-EZ.  Might help with =
low speed roll authority, and gawd knows we need all the help we can get =
in that department.=20
  Something to ponder ... Jim S.=20
  KeithHallsten wrote:=20

    Scott,...snip .... he recommended that the "crowfoot" pattern of VG =
placement be used on the canard, since it has no sweep, and a little =
slip couldn't  dramatically change the effect of the VGs if each pair =
worked either way.  However, he suggested placing the VG's on each swept =
main wing all parallel to each other in such a way as to "trip" the =
spanwise flow at low airspeeds and high angles of attack, while being =
nearly parallel to the flow at high airspeeds.  ... snip ... Keith =
Hallsten
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jim,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, the VGs wouldn't be exactly =
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attack to generate a good vortex!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll be interested any any results of =
trials with=20
trailing edge fences.&nbsp; As I recall, previous experiments showed =
them to=20
have good potential to help keep the ailerons effective.</FONT></DIV>
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  <BR>Parallel VGs on the main wing makes a lot of sense.&nbsp; I would =
intuit=20
  that a <B>little</B> angle (in a direction that would deflect airflow =
toward=20
  the root) would be nice since it would generate *something* at cruise =
and keep=20
  the flow attached (haven't thought it through enough to explain why =
this might=20
  be important :o).&nbsp; Closer spacing of the main wing VGs might also =

  help.&nbsp; I'll run it by Jim P.&nbsp; I'm also toying with the idea =
of=20
  bracketing the ailerons with fences ala' Vari-EZ.&nbsp; Might help =
with low=20
  speed roll authority, and gawd knows we need all the help we can get =
in that=20
  department. <BR>Something to ponder ... Jim S.=20
  <P>KeithHallsten wrote:=20
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    <FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>Scott,</FONT></FONT><FONT =
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    size=3D-1>...snip .... he recommended that the "crowfoot" pattern of =
VG=20
    placement be used on the canard, since it has no sweep, and a little =
slip=20
    couldn't&nbsp; dramatically change the effect of the VGs if each =
pair worked=20
    either way.&nbsp; However, he suggested placing the VG's on each =
swept main=20
    wing all parallel to each other in such a way as to "trip" the =
spanwise flow=20
    at low airspeeds and high angles of attack, while being nearly =
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    the flow at high airspeeds.&nbsp; ... snip =
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