REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 108, Issue 40
Velocity
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Sun Mar 23 19:56:49 CDT 2014
Very pitch control touchy with aft CG!
On 3/23/2014 2:47 PM, wimjhuisman wrote:
> Kurt,
>
> Fuel has little to no effect on your CG. I fly mine 173RG with me
> (210 lbs) at 123. I would consider that max . Elevator really gets
> lively at aft CG,s ,and stalls will not give the bob and drop,just a
> mushy aft stall.
>
> If this is really your final CG, I would try installing second battery
> above your landing light, that is what I did.
>
> Wim Huisman
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> 1. Re: Weight & Balance (Epstein Lawrence Jay)
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> 3. Re: Weight & Balance (Epstein Lawrence Jay)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:42:45 -0400
> From: Epstein Lawrence Jay <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> To: list Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
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> Scott Baker did the above calculations.
> In discussions with Scott Swing, the aft limit has been moved
> progressively further aft over the years. This was the factory
> recommendation. I would confirm with Scott Swing.
>
> Larry
> On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:54 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > hmm. That's odd. My flight manual says that the AFT limit is
> 120.75", and the Forward limit is 115.
> >
> > I am working on my spreadsheet information, It would be nice to
> compare it to another 173 just for comparison.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Epstein Lawrence Jay <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> > To: list Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders <reflector at tvbf.org>
> > Sent: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 11:42 am
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
> >
> > I am attaching our excel spreadsheet/worksheet and the W& B file.
> >
> > Your should make your own measurements. The Datum is the nose.
> FWD CG limit should be 123 and aft 115.
> > On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:24 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I just finished all the weighing of my 173 FGE. I am
> running all the numbers now to see what I am dealing with. My
> manual does not show what the Empty CG should be for a 173. I
> looked on the Velocity website, and I don't even see the W & B
> section in the on-line manual. Anyone have some reference numbers
> or point me to where I missed them?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Kurt
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: nmflyer1 at aol.com
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> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
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> Thanks Larry.
>
>
> My empty CG is back at 129". Moves to 124" with me and test fuel.
> Looks like I will have to do some ballast calculations.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Epstein Lawrence Jay <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> To: list Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 12:43 pm
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
>
>
> Scott Baker did the above calculations.
> In discussions with Scott Swing, the aft limit has been moved
> progressively further aft over the years. This was the factory
> recommendation. I would confirm with Scott Swing.
>
>
> Larry
>
> On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:54 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>
> hmm. That's odd. My flight manual says that the AFT limit is
> 120.75", and the Forward limit is 115.
>
>
> I am working on my spreadsheet information, It would be nice to
> compare it to another 173 just for comparison.
>
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Epstein Lawrence Jay <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> To: list Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 11:42 am
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
>
>
> I am attaching our excel spreadsheet/worksheet and the W& B file.
>
>
> Your should make your own measurements. The Datum is the nose. FWD
> CG limit should be 123 and aft 115.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:24 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Well, I just finished all the weighing of my 173 FGE. I am running
> all the numbers now to see what I am dealing with. My manual does
> not show what the Empty CG should be for a 173. I looked on the
> Velocity website, and I don't even see the W & B section in the
> on-line manual. Anyone have some reference numbers or point me to
> where I missed them?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Kurt
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 15:01:55 -0400
> From: Epstein Lawrence Jay <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> To: list Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
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> Thats where the ?Minimum front seat weight? comes in. we computed
> 182 lbs (with minimum fuel) in front seat, to get to 123
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2014, at 2:54 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Thanks Larry.
> >
> > My empty CG is back at 129". Moves to 124" with me and test
> fuel. Looks like I will have to do some ballast calculations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Epstein Lawrence Jay <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> > To: list Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders <reflector at tvbf.org>
> > Sent: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 12:43 pm
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
> >
> > Scott Baker did the above calculations.
> > In discussions with Scott Swing, the aft limit has been moved
> progressively further aft over the years. This was the factory
> recommendation. I would confirm with Scott Swing.
> >
> > Larry
> > On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:54 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> hmm. That's odd. My flight manual says that the AFT limit is
> 120.75", and the Forward limit is 115.
> >>
> >> I am working on my spreadsheet information, It would be nice to
> compare it to another 173 just for comparison.
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Epstein Lawrence Jay <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> >> To: list Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders <reflector at tvbf.org>
> >> Sent: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 11:42 am
> >> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Weight & Balance
> >>
> >> I am attaching our excel spreadsheet/worksheet and the W& B file.
> >>
> >> Your should make your own measurements. The Datum is the nose.
> FWD CG limit should be 123 and aft 115.
> >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:24 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, I just finished all the weighing of my 173 FGE. I am
> running all the numbers now to see what I am dealing with. My
> manual does not show what the Empty CG should be for a 173. I
> looked on the Velocity website, and I don't even see the W & B
> section in the on-line manual. Anyone have some reference numbers
> or point me to where I missed them?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Kurt
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