REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 102, Issue 82
Luciano, Luis I CIV PEOSUB, PMS404P
luis.i.luciano at navy.mil
Tue Sep 24 09:23:17 CDT 2013
Gentlemen - I recommend all to take a look at Don Johnston's write-up on his door latch redesign currently on VOBA's > Tech Library > Builder Modification section. I had a chance to visit Don in Chicago a month back and felt the difference his design modification does for the door latch... compared to mine its heaven and earth. It is MUCH smoother to close and has a negative feedback spring to maintain it in the closed position. In light of Fred's unfortunate accident, I will be prioritizing this mod on my project.
With Regards,
Luis Luciano
Velocity XL-5 FG
"Dulcinea"
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3. Re: Reflector Digest, Vol 102, Issue 82 (Kurt Winker)
4. Re: Reflector Digest, Vol 102, Issue 82 (Patrick Sieders)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:38 -0500
From: John Dibble <aminetech at bluefrog.com>
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Good advice. And then there are distractions. In my 1000 hours flying RG, I never forgot to lower my gear.....except once. I was returning to my airport at night. The runway lights and beacon were out, but the notam wasn't yet issued, so I had no idea. Using my standard procedure, I set up on a 10 mile final using my gps. The runway lights seemed faint (that's because they were the taxiway lights) and that caused me to focus on them. Yeah, I was flying the plane just fine. When I was about 30' above the "runway", I noticed the white markings of the real runway off to my left and realized I was over the taxiway. I added power, and climbed. As I made the turn to go around, that's when I realized my gear was up. Glad I didn't decide to land on the taxiway!
Fortunately someone was at the airport and I had him position his truck at the beginning of the runway with lights on, so I could get lined up with the runway and I landed, no problem.
John
On 9/23/2013 6:02 PM, Patrick Sieders wrote:
> Not to judge
>
> What Scott wrote is certainly true, and is hammered on in my company flying the 'big metal' around. The chain is there to be broken and it will if we will remember to always fly the aircraft.
>
> No matter what breaks, your first instinct should always be " Aviate, Navigate, Communicate". This is certainly something that is not practiced a lot, and you really have to force yourself to take a deep breath sometimes, count to 10 and then work the problem. But never, EVER forget to fly first !
>
> Oh, and forget about all the electronic wizardry.. fly old style, just remember some the the high profile accidents we have had lately... Asiana, Air france, Colgan Air..
>
> Something we as a group need to think about and be able to discuss. I hate to bring this up in a sensitive time, but it needs to be communicated.
>
> Hope they willbe back home soon and recovering quickly.
> Patrick Sieders
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:49:34 -0400
From: Tim Rhodenbaugh <timrhod at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 102, Issue 82
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So in all this discussion where are the warning systems to alert pilots of open doors or gear still up. In my XLRG I have a door unlatched warning light right in my face. It paid off well one day when from vibration my door mechanism came apart and the pins slid out of their housings. I immediately got a warning door open light . I checked my door and sure enough it was no longer latched. I had to hold it closed with the Handle until I landed. I have two gear up warnings. One is a audible " landing gear" "landing gear" and is based on air speed. The second warning is a shrill siren as in so loud you can't ignore it and it is based on throttle position. I know even with these it is possible to have something go wrong but a whole lot less likely . Let's design into our planes as much safety as we can. Tim Rhodenbaugh. N 370TR XLRG
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:51 PM, John Dibble <aminetech at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> Good advice. And then there are distractions. In my 1000 hours flying RG, I never forgot to lower my gear.....except once. I was returning to my airport at night. The runway lights and beacon were out, but the notam wasn't yet issued, so I had no idea. Using my standard procedure, I set up on a 10 mile final using my gps. The runway lights seemed faint (that's because they were the taxiway lights) and that caused me to focus on them. Yeah, I was flying the plane just fine. When I was about 30' above the "runway", I noticed the white markings of the real runway off to my left and realized I was over the taxiway. I added power, and climbed. As I made the turn to go around, that's when I realized my gear was up. Glad I didn't decide to land on the taxiway! Fortunately someone was at the airport and I had him position his truck at the beginning of the runway with lights on, so I could get lined up with the runway and I landed, no problem.
>
> John
>
> On 9/23/2013 6:02 PM, Patrick Sieders wrote:
>> Not to judge
>>
>> What Scott wrote is certainly true, and is hammered on in my company flying the 'big metal' around. The chain is there to be broken and it will if we will remember to always fly the aircraft.
>>
>> No matter what breaks, your first instinct should always be " Aviate, Navigate, Communicate". This is certainly something that is not practiced a lot, and you really have to force yourself to take a deep breath sometimes, count to 10 and then work the problem. But never, EVER forget to fly first !
>>
>> Oh, and forget about all the electronic wizardry.. fly old style, just remember some the the high profile accidents we have had lately... Asiana, Air france, Colgan Air..
>>
>> Something we as a group need to think about and be able to discuss. I hate to bring this up in a sensitive time, but it needs to be communicated.
>>
>> Hope they willbe back home soon and recovering quickly.
>> Patrick Sieders
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:54:21 -0600
From: Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 102, Issue 82
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Or. One could follow the checklists & remain vigilant. I don't necessarily disagree with the point, but people, in general, are taking less & less responsibility for their situations.
Cease abdicating responsibility and do your job as PIC.
Kurt.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 23, 2013, at 20:49, Tim Rhodenbaugh <timrhod at aol.com> wrote:
> So in all this discussion where are the warning systems to alert pilots of open doors or gear still up. In my XLRG I have a door unlatched warning light right in my face. It paid off well one day when from vibration my door mechanism came apart and the pins slid out of their housings. I immediately got a warning door open light . I checked my door and sure enough it was no longer latched. I had to hold it closed with the Handle until I landed. I have two gear up warnings. One is a audible " landing gear" "landing gear" and is based on air speed. The second warning is a shrill siren as in so loud you can't ignore it and it is based on throttle position. I know even with these it is possible to have something go wrong but a whole lot less likely . Let's design into our planes as much safety as we can. Tim Rhodenbaugh. N 370TR XLRG
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:51 PM, John Dibble <aminetech at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
>> Good advice. And then there are distractions. In my 1000 hours flying RG, I never forgot to lower my gear.....except once. I was returning to my airport at night. The runway lights and beacon were out, but the notam wasn't yet issued, so I had no idea. Using my standard procedure, I set up on a 10 mile final using my gps. The runway lights seemed faint (that's because they were the taxiway lights) and that caused me to focus on them. Yeah, I was flying the plane just fine. When I was about 30' above the "runway", I noticed the white markings of the real runway off to my left and realized I was over the taxiway. I added power, and climbed. As I made the turn to go around, that's when I realized my gear was up. Glad I didn't decide to land on the taxiway! Fortunately someone was at the airport and I had him position his truck at the beginning of the runway with lights on, so I could get lined up with the runway and I landed, no problem.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 9/23/2013 6:02 PM, Patrick Sieders wrote:
>>> Not to judge
>>>
>>> What Scott wrote is certainly true, and is hammered on in my company flying the 'big metal' around. The chain is there to be broken and it will if we will remember to always fly the aircraft.
>>>
>>> No matter what breaks, your first instinct should always be " Aviate, Navigate, Communicate". This is certainly something that is not practiced a lot, and you really have to force yourself to take a deep breath sometimes, count to 10 and then work the problem. But never, EVER forget to fly first !
>>>
>>> Oh, and forget about all the electronic wizardry.. fly old style, just remember some the the high profile accidents we have had lately... Asiana, Air france, Colgan Air..
>>>
>>> Something we as a group need to think about and be able to discuss. I hate to bring this up in a sensitive time, but it needs to be communicated.
>>>
>>> Hope they willbe back home soon and recovering quickly.
>>> Patrick Sieders
>>
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:07:13 -0500
From: Patrick Sieders <pjsieders at comcast.net>
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I would say a door opening up creates a perfect warninghorn by itself. It will startle you I'm sure.. And the aftermath will create nervousness and a blow to the confidence. Again, FLY FIRST! And yes, checklist usage ! Read it out loud, even if you are alone, and answer yourself.. You will be 'in the game'
My humble CFI experience
Patrick sieders
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From: Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com>
Sent: September 23, 2013 21:54
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 102, Issue 82
Or. One could follow the checklists & remain vigilant. I don't necessarily disagree with the point, but people, in general, are taking less & less responsibility for their situations.
Cease abdicating responsibility and do your job as PIC.
Kurt.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 23, 2013, at 20:49, Tim Rhodenbaugh <timrhod at aol.com> wrote:
> So in all this discussion where are the warning systems to alert pilots of open doors or gear still up. In my XLRG I have a door unlatched warning light right in my face. It paid off well one day when from vibration my door mechanism came apart and the pins slid out of their housings. I immediately got a warning door open light . I checked my door and sure enough it was no longer latched. I had to hold it closed with the Handle until I landed. I have two gear up warnings. One is a audible " landing gear" "landing gear" and is based on air speed. The second warning is a shrill siren as in so loud you can't ignore it and it is based on throttle position. I know even with these it is possible to have something go wrong but a whole lot less likely . Let's design into our planes as much safety as we can. Tim Rhodenbaugh. N 370TR XLRG
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:51 PM, John Dibble <aminetech at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
>> Good advice. And then there are distractions. In my 1000 hours flying RG, I never forgot to lower my gear.....except once. I was returning to my airport at night. The runway lights and beacon were out, but the notam wasn't yet issued, so I had no idea. Using my standard procedure, I set up on a 10 mile final using my gps. The runway lights seemed faint (that's because they were the taxiway lights) and that caused me to focus on them. Yeah, I was flying the plane just fine. When I was about 30' above the "runway", I noticed the white markings of the real runway off to my left and realized I was over the taxiway. I added power, and climbed. As I made the turn to go around, that's when I realized my gear was up. Glad I didn't decide to land on the taxiway! Fortunately someone was at the airport and I had him position his truck at the beginning of the runway with lights on, so I could get lined up with the runway and I landed, no problem.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 9/23/2013 6:02 PM, Patrick Sieders wrote:
>>> Not to judge
>>>
>>> What Scott wrote is certainly true, and is hammered on in my company flying the 'big metal' around. The chain is there to be broken and it will if we will remember to always fly the aircraft.
>>>
>>> No matter what breaks, your first instinct should always be " Aviate, Navigate, Communicate". This is certainly something that is not practiced a lot, and you really have to force yourself to take a deep breath sometimes, count to 10 and then work the problem. But never, EVER forget to fly first !
>>>
>>> Oh, and forget about all the electronic wizardry.. fly old style, just remember some the the high profile accidents we have had lately... Asiana, Air france, Colgan Air..
>>>
>>> Something we as a group need to think about and be able to discuss. I hate to bring this up in a sensitive time, but it needs to be communicated.
>>>
>>> Hope they willbe back home soon and recovering quickly.
>>> Patrick Sieders
>>
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:34:58 -0400
From: Brett Ferrell <reflector at velocityxl.com>
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I've got the light too, but I'm guessing that if I were distracted enough to not check the door (on the checklist) I wouldn't see the light either. All of these door accidents have me so paranoid that I check each door about 3 times before departing...
--
Brett Ferrell
reflector at velocityxl.com
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Patrick Sieders wrote:
I would say a door opening up creates a perfect warninghorn by itself.
It
will startle you I'm sure.. And the aftermath will create nervousness and
a blow to the confidence. Again, FLY FIRST! And yes, checklist usage !
Read it out loud, even if you are alone, and answer yourself.. You will
be 'in the game'
My humble CFI experience
Patrick sieders
-----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Winker <[1]nmflyer1 at aol.com>
Sent: September 23, 2013 21:54
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <[2]reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 102, Issue 82
Or. One could follow the checklists & remain vigilant. I don't
necessarily disagree with the point, but people, in general, are taking
less & less responsibility for their situations.
Cease abdicating responsibility and do your job as PIC.
Kurt.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 23, 2013, at 20:49, Tim Rhodenbaugh <[3]timrhod at aol.com> wrote:
So in all this discussion where are the warning systems to alert pilots of open doors or gear still up. In my XLRG I have a door unlatched warning light right in my face. It paid off well one day when from vibration my door mechanism came apart and the pins slid out of their housings. I immediately got a warning door open light . I checked my door and sure enough it was no longer latched. I had to hold it closed with the Handle until I landed. I have two gear up warnings. One is a audible " landing gear" "landing gear" and is based on air speed. The second warning is a shrill siren as in so loud you can't ignore it and it is based on throttle position. I know even with these it is possible to have something go wrong but a whole lot less likely . Let's
design into our planes as much safety as we can. Tim Rhodenbaugh. N
370TR XLRG
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:51 PM, John Dibble <[4]aminetech at bluefrog.com>
wrote:
Good advice. And then there are distractions. In my 1000 hours flying RG, I never forgot to lower my gear.....except once. I was returning to my airport at night. The runway lights and beacon were out, but the notam wasn't yet issued, so I had no idea. Using my standard procedure, I set up on a 10 mile final using my gps. The runway lights seemed faint (that's because they were the taxiway lights) and that caused me to focus on them. Yeah, I was flying the plane just fine.
When I was about 30' above the "runway", I noticed the white markings of the real runway off to my left and realized I was over the taxiway.
I added power, and climbed. As I made the turn to go around, that's when I realized my gear was up. Glad I didn't decide to land on the taxiway! Fortunately someone was at the airport and I had him position his truck at the beginning of the runway with lights on, so I could get lined up with the runway and I landed, no problem.
John
On 9/23/2013 6:02 PM, Patrick Sieders wrote:
Not to judge
What Scott wrote is certainly true, and is hammered on in my company flying the 'big metal' around. The chain is there to be broken and it will if we will remember to always fly the aircraft.
No matter what breaks, your first instinct should always be " Aviate, Navigate, Communicate". This is certainly something that is not practiced a lot, and you really have to force yourself to take a deep breath sometimes, count to 10 and then work the problem. But never, EVER forget to fly first !
Oh, and forget about all the electronic wizardry.. fly old style, just remember some the the high profile accidents we have had lately...
Asiana, Air france, Colgan Air..
Something we as a group need to think about and be able to discuss. I hate to bring this up in a sensitive time, but it needs to be communicated.
Hope they willbe back home soon and recovering quickly.
Patrick Sieders
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