REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 98, Issue 119 Cape May Video
Mark Riley
the_rileys1 at verizon.net
Fri May 31 20:03:36 CDT 2013
Andy has put together a composite video with music of our flights together. Check it out at http://youtu.be/XRQ-XvF_Mvk
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> 1. Re: Economy Cruise (steve korney)
> 2. Re: Economy Cruise (Scott Baker)
> 3. Re: Economy Cruise (Mark Magee)
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 23:33:44 +0000
> From: steve korney <s_korney at hotmail.com>
> To: Reflector Reflector <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Economy Cruise
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> Hey Scott...
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> Are you calculating to within a tenth of a gallon or a half gallon....And how did you get that 10.5 gallons...
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> Steve
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:11:42 -0400
> From: scottb33333 at gmail.com
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Economy Cruise
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> On such a short mission, I doubt there will be little difference in
> fuel burn between normal cruise operations and economy cruise. By
> my quick calculations either method will burn close to 10.5 gallons
> (one way). On a 62nm flight, the difference in economy cruise and
> normal cruise will maybe save 5-minutes ... which is not enough time
> to 'earn' much fuel savings. Tweaking the power settings might be
> an interesting and fun exercise. I doubt however that it will save
> a gallon of fuel (one way).
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> Best,
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> Scott B.
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> On 5/30/2013 2:06 PM, Mark Magee
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> All,
> My bird is XLFG IO540 300HP MT CS prop (two PMAGS on
> pre-order) and I'm needing some performance data feedback. I
> may be daily 'commuting' in the bird a 62 NM one way hop, 4 or
> 5 days per week. Both airports about 2,000 ft MSL. I'm
> thinking I can remain fairly efficient if I lean on climb,
> climb to only 6,000 MSL at 130KT climb then back down to 23
> squared power and shoot for 150 KT cruise. I know this bird
> isn't optimized for the short hop, yet I may need it to
> perform there. With the P-Mags if I could keep the fuel burn
> under 10GPH on the round trip I won't have to go to the mat
> with my wife that I need a(n) (additional) Long EZ for this
> new mission... :)
> What do you guys think?
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> Mark B. Magee
> N34XL
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:10:40 -0400
> From: Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Economy Cruise
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> Hi Steve,
> Nice to hear from you!
> Since you asked ... :-)
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> 300 hp Lycoming
> 0-miles 2.0 gallons Taxi and runup
> 14-miles 2.0 gallons Climb Phase (4000' @ 140knots @ 650-700fpm
> rate of climb) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 20gph during climb
> 30-miles 2.5 gallons Cruise Phase (180knots burning 15gph)
> Approximately 10-minutes (0.17-hours)
> 18-miles 1.5 gallons Descent Phase (500fpm descent at 180knots
> burning 15gph) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour)
> =======
> 62 nm
> 1.0 gallons Pattern Phase - Approximately
> 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 10gph
> 1.0 gallons Taxi to parking
> ==========
> 10.0 gallons, plus or minus a gallon, one-way trip
> total
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> Mark's aircraft, being a fixed gear, might not get 180knots in cruise -
> but I bet the fuel #'s are not too far off. And certainly there is room
> for savings with a no-delay take off and a straight in approach.
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> Hi Mark > Take the trip in the Velocity one day and let us know the real
> numbers!
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> Best,
> Scott B.
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> On 5/30/2013 7:33 PM, steve korney wrote:
>> Hey Scott...
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>> Are you calculating to within a tenth of a gallon or a half gallon....
>> And how did you get that 10.5 gallons...
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>> Steve
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> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:32:27 -0500
> From: Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Economy Cruise
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> Scott,
> You're a great American!
> Your numbers look good to me. My only other option was to profile a low level (at and below 500 ft AGL) and shoot for 145-150 KTAS and fine tune the totalizer to get under 10 GPH.
> I'll post real numbers when available.
> Thanks.
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> Mark B. Magee
> N34XL
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> Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong. Let all that you do be done with love. 1COR 16:13-14
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> On May 30, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Steve,
>> Nice to hear from you!
>> Since you asked ... :-)
>>
>> 300 hp Lycoming
>> 0-miles 2.0 gallons Taxi and runup
>> 14-miles 2.0 gallons Climb Phase (4000' @ 140knots @ 650-700fpm rate of climb) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 20gph during climb
>> 30-miles 2.5 gallons Cruise Phase (180knots burning 15gph) Approximately 10-minutes (0.17-hours)
>> 18-miles 1.5 gallons Descent Phase (500fpm descent at 180knots burning 15gph) Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour)
>> =======
>> 62 nm
>> 1.0 gallons Pattern Phase - Approximately 6-minutes (0.1-hour) burning 10gph
>> 1.0 gallons Taxi to parking
>> ==========
>> 10.0 gallons, plus or minus a gallon, one-way trip total
>>
>> Mark's aircraft, being a fixed gear, might not get 180knots in cruise - but I bet the fuel #'s are not too far off. And certainly there is room for savings with a no-delay take off and a straight in approach.
>>
>> Hi Mark > Take the trip in the Velocity one day and let us know the real numbers!
>>
>> Best,
>> Scott B.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2013 7:33 PM, steve korney wrote:
>>> Hey Scott...
>>>
>>> Are you calculating to within a tenth of a gallon or a half gallon....
>>> And how did you get that 10.5 gallons...
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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