REFLECTOR: GPS IFR Approaches: Radio Required

[Lawrence Epstein]

The caveat to this (and my comment) is it depends on where you do most of
your flying.
I live/fly in the the NY Metro area. The entire Northeast is "Airway
country". You will almost never get a direct to waypoint clearance around
here. It is all airways. The 430/530 is impossible to use solo IFR here. I
have heard that in heaven (ie;  not the NE), "Direct" clearances are the
norm. In that case, 430w/530w should be fine.

The 480 has come down in price quite a bit (since the touch screen units
were released). (there is 1 on e-bay today $5999 with 10 offers) Garmin is
still supporting them and will likely do so for some time (there are
thousands flying in government aircraft). They regularly release software
updates (ADS-B position support coming soon).

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Don Johnston <numa at comcast.net> wrote:

> I would respectfully disagree.
>
> I've been flying behind a 430 for 10 years (w for the last 7 years).
> Probably about 1000 hours total with 90% of that IFR and almost all of that
> time cross-country.
>
> It takes me less than 60 seconds to enter a flight plan. The worst
> possible situation would be an unexpected routing using airways. But I've
> only run into that maybe three times in 10 years. And when it did, I simply
> asked for the routing by waypoint. Lately, I've been filing direct (and
> getting every time) if the destination is well known. Otherwise, I add a
> VOR near the destination.
>
> Now I'm in the midwest (inside ORD class B) so things can be different
> elsewhere. For example, anything from DC north is a whole different
> ballgame.
>
> The MX-20 (480) is a nice box. No doubt about it. That was my first choice
> but I settled for the 430 because of price.
>
> My point is that I wouldn't disregard the 430/530.  It's got a huge
> installed base and will be supported for a long time. I was going to put a
> 430 in my panel (if I ever get to that point) until I decided on a remote
> GPS.
>
> Just my .02
>
> -Don
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Lawrence Epstein <ljepstein at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> If you want to fly IFR regularly, I would not get the 430/530w series.
>> That is really a VFR box that can do IFR. Biggest problem with that is when
>> you want to fly airways. With that series, (I believe same with the King),
>> you must manually enter every waypoint on the Airway. Bad enough when you
>> are on the ground copying a clearance. Impossible when picking up a
>> clearance in the air.
>>
>> I have been flying behind a Garmin GNS 480 (UPS CNX80) for ~10 years.
>> Great IFR box. You can pick one up on Ebay for about $5k now.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Any radiomen out there could please help me determine if I could do most
>>> of what I want with an MFD with Syn Vision, HITS, approaches installed in
>>> the software: I understand the Garmin 430W will get you down legally at any
>>> terminal with a published GPS Precision Approach. Those units are still
>>> holding their value quite well, but what of this King:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BendixKing-KLN90B-IFR-Approach-Approved-GPS-System-/330889767931
>>>
>>>
>>> Without the Precision Approach cert, what would be my limitation?
>>> Practically, functionally?
>>> My IFR ticket is long out of date and I will have to get back up to
>>> snuff on flying them. I'm asking about shooting approaches is this current
>>> 'Grey Area' where folks are functionally doing a lot of IFR approaches
>>> -without- IFR Approach certified radios driving their installed MFD's.
>>>
>>> Opinions please. I do understand the regs, just probing for reality.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mark B. Magee
>>> N34XL XLFG
>>>
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