REFLECTOR: LED lights

Fri Jul 19 22:32:48 CDT 2013

David
Do you remember the particular model of LED's you purchased for the 
aircraft??

Bob H.

On 7/19/2013 9:22 PM, Scott Derrick wrote:
> A bit off topic,  all we've had in our house for 14 years is cf's  and LEDs.
>
> David Ullman <ullman at robustdecisions.com> wrote:
>
>> I have only LEDs on 444DX.  I bought them from AVEO.  They are made in the
>> US.  They got there long before Whelan.  People have said my plane looks
>> like a Xmas tree it is so bright and all I have is tip lights (with strobe)
>> and landing light (which I can make flash).  Wiring was easy, all 20gage (as
>> best I remember).
>>
>> See
>> http://www.aveoengineering.com/index.php/products-1/general-aviation-product
>> s
>>
>> I am building a house right now and it will be as LEDed as I can make it.
>> In 5 years that is all there will be.
>>
>>
>> David Ullman
>> N444DX
>> President EAA 292
>> 541-760-2338
>> david at davidullman.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>    1. Re:  LED Light Project Finished (Kurt Winker)
>>    2. Re:  LED Light Project Finished (Brian Michalk)
>>    3. Re:  LED Light Project Finished (Scott Baker)
>>    4. Re:  LED Light Project Finished (Brian Michalk)
>>    5. Re:  LED Light Project Finished (Lawrence Epstein)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:41:57 -0600
>> From: Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>> Message-ID: <3DF13B3B-6A24-4A09-ACC4-6FB7F08019D3 at aol.com>
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>>
>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>> lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>> They do not list a direct replacement.
>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>> Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like lights.  A lot of lights.  I like efficiency too.
>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>> but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>> HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some.  Then, everyone else got the idea and
>> that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
>> module in that to use for my taxi light.  I'm still in phase I flight, so
>> haven't used it for landing at night.
>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
>> tips of the canard.  The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
>> the ballast module.  A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
>> modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge.  I'll
>> see if I can send pics tonight.  With the doors closed on the hangar, they
>> cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam.  One of these
>> days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>> They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>> moment.  The size is a bigger problem in this area.  I might replace them
>> with LED's instead.  I have used these before at night, and they really are
>> nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>  From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>> the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>> works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>> side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>> experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>> post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>> landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I had
>> some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying directly
>> at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with just the
>> landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With just the
>> landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close as 4-5
>> miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and starting at
>> 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me. Pretty cool
>> stuff.
>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>> benefits.
>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>> the camera set to iso3200.
>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:50:52 -0500
>> From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>> Message-ID: <51E98A8C.7020901 at awpi.com>
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>>
>> I have LED position lights.  The name escapes me right now.  They are
>> integrated with traditional strobes.  I like them.  As soon as I remember,
>> I'll post the link.  When I went for LED lights, I was surprised at how much
>> Whelen was asking.  If you go experimental, the pricing gets a lot more
>> reasonable.
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 1:41 PM, Kurt Winker wrote:
>>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>> lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>> They do not list a direct replacement.
>>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>> Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like lights.  A lot of lights.  I like efficiency too.
>>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>> but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>> HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some.  Then, everyone else got the idea and
>> that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
>> module in that to use for my taxi light.  I'm still in phase I flight, so
>> haven't used it for landing at night.
>>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
>> tips of the canard.  The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
>> the ballast module.  A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
>> modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge.  I'll
>> see if I can send pics tonight.  With the doors closed on the hangar, they
>> cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam.  One of these
>> days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>> They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>> moment.  The size is a bigger problem in this area.  I might replace them
>> with LED's instead.  I have used these before at night, and they really are
>> nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>   From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>> the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>> works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>> side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>> experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>> post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>> landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
>> had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
>> directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
>> just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
>> just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
>> as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
>> starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
>> Pretty cool stuff.
>>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>> benefits.
>>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>> the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:55:33 -0400
>> From: Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>> Message-ID: <9FC1FC55-4766-42A5-AE5B-FB671EA42793 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Psaenterprises.com
>> Larry Epstein found this site and directed my attention to their catalog.
>>
>> Scott Baker
>> Sent via iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>> lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>> They do not list a direct replacement.
>>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>> Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like lights.  A lot of lights.  I like efficiency too.
>>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>> but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>> HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some.  Then, everyone else got the idea and
>> that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
>> module in that to use for my taxi light.  I'm still in phase I flight, so
>> haven't used it for landing at night.
>>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
>> tips of the canard.  The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
>> the ballast module.  A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
>> modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge.  I'll
>> see if I can send pics tonight.  With the doors closed on the hangar, they
>> cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam.  One of these
>> days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>> They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>> moment.  The size is a bigger problem in this area.  I might replace them
>> with LED's instead.  I have used these before at night, and they really are
>> nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>  From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>> the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>> works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>> side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>> experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>> post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>> landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
>> had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
>> directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
>> just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
>> just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
>> as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
>> starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
>> Pretty cool stuff.
>>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>> benefits.
>>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>> the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>>
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>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:10:07 -0500
>> From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>> Message-ID: <51E98F0F.5070506 at awpi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> I remember.
>> www.gs-air.com
>>
>> Their prices seem to have gone up.
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 1:50 PM, Brian Michalk wrote:
>>> I have LED position lights.  The name escapes me right now.  They are
>>> integrated with traditional strobes.  I like them.  As soon as I
>>> remember, I'll post the link.  When I went for LED lights, I was
>>> surprised at how much Whelen was asking.  If you go experimental, the
>>> pricing gets a lot more reasonable.
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 1:41 PM, Kurt Winker wrote:
>>>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600
>>>> series lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to
>>>> check Spruce. They do not list a direct replacement.
>>>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the
>>>> heads. Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>>>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like lights.  A lot of lights.  I like efficiency too.
>>>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen
>>>>> applications, but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap
>>>>> source of HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some.  Then, everyone
>>>>> else got the idea and that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the
>>>>> Ebay module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I
>>>>> flight, so haven't used it for landing at night.
>>>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them
>>>>> in the tips of the canard.  The tips are hollow and make a nice
>>>>> place to install the ballast module.  A set of cheap fog light
>>>>> lenses were used and highly modified to hold the lamp, and were
>>>>> glassed in to the leading edge.  I'll see if I can send pics
>>>>> tonight.  With the doors closed on the hangar, they cast a very
>>>>> narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam.  One of these days I
>>>>> should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the
>>>>> fuselage.  They are embedded above the structural layups, and are
>>>>> halogens at the moment.  The size is a bigger problem in this area.
>>>>> I might replace them with LED's instead.  I have used these before
>>>>> at night, and they really are nice to use for inspecting and loading
>>>>> the airplane at night.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I
>>>>>> reconsidered the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose
>>>>>> wheel well. Everything works just fine, and the nose gear tube
>>>>>> clears them by about 1/4" on each side. They make a dramatic
>>>>>> difference to the night landing and night taxi experience. I am in
>>>>>> the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll post the
>>>>>> specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>>>>>> landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day.
>>>>>> I had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by
>>>>>> flying directly at the tower from various unknown (to him)
>>>>>> directions first with just the landing light, then with the landing
>>>>>> light and Darlas all on. With just the landing light, and him
>>>>>> actively looking, I was able to get as close as 4-5 miles before he
>>>>>> acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and starting at 10
>>>>>> miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me. Pretty
>>>>>> cool stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for
>>>>>> the benefits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I
>>>>>> had the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:49:19 -0400
>> From: Lawrence Epstein <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP206B7A5E69B0BE54C4B6F5DB9630 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> This site has LED's that replace the bulbs. Total cost ~$60 per side.
>> (Spruce buys from them)
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Psaenterprises.com
>>> Larry Epstein found this site and directed my attention to their catalog.
>>>
>>> Scott Baker
>>> Sent via iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>> lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>> They do not list a direct replacement.
>>>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>> Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>>>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like lights.  A lot of lights.  I like efficiency too.
>>>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>> but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>> HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some.  Then, everyone else got the idea and
>> that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the
>> Ebay module in that to use for my taxi light.  I'm still in phase I flight,
>> so haven't used it for landing at night.
>>>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in
>> the tips of the canard.  The tips are hollow and make a nice place to
>> install the ballast module.  A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and
>> highly modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge.
>> I'll see if I can send pics tonight.  With the doors closed on the hangar,
>> they cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam.  One of
>> these days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>> They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>> moment.  The size is a bigger problem in this area.  I might replace them
>> with LED's instead.  I have used these before at night, and they really are
>> nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>> the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>> works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>> side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>> experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>> post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>> landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
>> had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
>> directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
>> just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
>> just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
>> as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
>> starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
>> Pretty cool stuff.
>>>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>> benefits.
>>>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>> the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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