REFLECTOR: LED lights
Scott Derrick
scott at tnstaafl.net
Fri Jul 19 22:22:32 CDT 2013
A bit off topic, all we've had in our house for 14 years is cf's and LEDs.
David Ullman <ullman at robustdecisions.com> wrote:
>I have only LEDs on 444DX. I bought them from AVEO. They are made in the
>US. They got there long before Whelan. People have said my plane looks
>like a Xmas tree it is so bright and all I have is tip lights (with strobe)
>and landing light (which I can make flash). Wiring was easy, all 20gage (as
>best I remember).
>
>See
>http://www.aveoengineering.com/index.php/products-1/general-aviation-product
>s
>
>I am building a house right now and it will be as LEDed as I can make it.
>In 5 years that is all there will be.
>
>
>David Ullman
>N444DX
>President EAA 292
>541-760-2338
>david at davidullman.com
>
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: LED Light Project Finished (Kurt Winker)
> 2. Re: LED Light Project Finished (Brian Michalk)
> 3. Re: LED Light Project Finished (Scott Baker)
> 4. Re: LED Light Project Finished (Brian Michalk)
> 5. Re: LED Light Project Finished (Lawrence Epstein)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:41:57 -0600
>From: Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>Message-ID: <3DF13B3B-6A24-4A09-ACC4-6FB7F08019D3 at aol.com>
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>I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>They do not list a direct replacement.
>The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>Anyone have an alternative source?
>
>Kurt
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>
>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
>that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>
>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
>module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight, so
>haven't used it for landing at night.
>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
>tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
>the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
>modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge. I'll
>see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they
>cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these
>days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>
>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
>with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
>nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>
>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I had
>some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying directly
>at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with just the
>landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With just the
>landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close as 4-5
>miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and starting at
>10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me. Pretty cool
>stuff.
>>>
>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>benefits.
>>>
>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>the camera set to iso3200.
>>>
>>> Bill Walker
>>>
>>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:50:52 -0500
>From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>Message-ID: <51E98A8C.7020901 at awpi.com>
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>I have LED position lights. The name escapes me right now. They are
>integrated with traditional strobes. I like them. As soon as I remember,
>I'll post the link. When I went for LED lights, I was surprised at how much
>Whelen was asking. If you go experimental, the pricing gets a lot more
>reasonable.
>
>On 7/19/2013 1:41 PM, Kurt Winker wrote:
>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>They do not list a direct replacement.
>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
>that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>>
>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
>module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight, so
>haven't used it for landing at night.
>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
>tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
>the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
>modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge. I'll
>see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they
>cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these
>days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>
>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
>with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
>nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>
>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
>had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
>directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
>just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
>just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
>as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
>starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
>Pretty cool stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:55:33 -0400
>From: Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>Message-ID: <9FC1FC55-4766-42A5-AE5B-FB671EA42793 at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>Psaenterprises.com
>Larry Epstein found this site and directed my attention to their catalog.
>
>Scott Baker
>Sent via iPhone
>
>On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>They do not list a direct replacement.
>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
>that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>>
>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the Ebay
>module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight, so
>haven't used it for landing at night.
>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in the
>tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to install
>the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and highly
>modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge. I'll
>see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they
>cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these
>days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>
>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
>with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
>nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>
>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
>had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
>directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
>just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
>just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
>as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
>starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
>Pretty cool stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>
>>>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:10:07 -0500
>From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>Message-ID: <51E98F0F.5070506 at awpi.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>I remember.
>www.gs-air.com
>
>Their prices seem to have gone up.
>
>On 7/19/2013 1:50 PM, Brian Michalk wrote:
>> I have LED position lights. The name escapes me right now. They are
>> integrated with traditional strobes. I like them. As soon as I
>> remember, I'll post the link. When I went for LED lights, I was
>> surprised at how much Whelen was asking. If you go experimental, the
>> pricing gets a lot more reasonable.
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 1:41 PM, Kurt Winker wrote:
>>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600
>>> series lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to
>>> check Spruce. They do not list a direct replacement.
>>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the
>>> heads. Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen
>>>> applications, but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap
>>>> source of HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone
>>>> else got the idea and that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap
>>>> anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the
>>>> Ebay module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I
>>>> flight, so haven't used it for landing at night.
>>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them
>>>> in the tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice
>>>> place to install the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light
>>>> lenses were used and highly modified to hold the lamp, and were
>>>> glassed in to the leading edge. I'll see if I can send pics
>>>> tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar, they cast a very
>>>> narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of these days I
>>>> should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>>
>>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the
>>>> fuselage. They are embedded above the structural layups, and are
>>>> halogens at the moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area.
>>>> I might replace them with LED's instead. I have used these before
>>>> at night, and they really are nice to use for inspecting and loading
>>>> the airplane at night.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I
>>>>> reconsidered the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose
>>>>> wheel well. Everything works just fine, and the nose gear tube
>>>>> clears them by about 1/4" on each side. They make a dramatic
>>>>> difference to the night landing and night taxi experience. I am in
>>>>> the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll post the
>>>>> specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>>>>> landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day.
>>>>> I had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by
>>>>> flying directly at the tower from various unknown (to him)
>>>>> directions first with just the landing light, then with the landing
>>>>> light and Darlas all on. With just the landing light, and him
>>>>> actively looking, I was able to get as close as 4-5 miles before he
>>>>> acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and starting at 10
>>>>> miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me. Pretty
>>>>> cool stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for
>>>>> the benefits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I
>>>>> had the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:49:19 -0400
>From: Lawrence Epstein <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: LED Light Project Finished
>Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP206B7A5E69B0BE54C4B6F5DB9630 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>This site has LED's that replace the bulbs. Total cost ~$60 per side.
>(Spruce buys from them)
>
>On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Scott Baker <scottb33333 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Psaenterprises.com
>> Larry Epstein found this site and directed my attention to their catalog.
>>
>> Scott Baker
>> Sent via iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Kurt Winker <nmflyer1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to replace the position light bulbs in my Whelen 600 series
>lights with LEDs. The factory says they are out of stock & to check Spruce.
>They do not list a direct replacement.
>>> The Robbers at Whelen say I have to spend mucho $$$ to replace the heads.
>Not worth $700 bucks to me.
>>> Anyone have an alternative source?
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:28, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like lights. A lot of lights. I like efficiency too.
>>>> I believe that eventually, LED's will replace all halogen applications,
>but for now, nothing can beat HID lights, in my opinion.
>>>> I think Andy Millin was the one that turned me on to the cheap source of
>HID modules on Ebay, so I bought some. Then, everyone else got the idea and
>that cheap source of HID is now not so cheap anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I bought a nice reflector from duckworks aviation, and installed the
>Ebay module in that to use for my taxi light. I'm still in phase I flight,
>so haven't used it for landing at night.
>>>> I liked it so much, I bought two more off Ebay, and installed them in
>the tips of the canard. The tips are hollow and make a nice place to
>install the ballast module. A set of cheap fog light lenses were used and
>highly modified to hold the lamp, and were glassed in to the leading edge.
>I'll see if I can send pics tonight. With the doors closed on the hangar,
>they cast a very narrow (vertical) and wide (to the side) beam. One of
>these days I should do some night taxiing to see how well they do.
>>>>
>>>> I also added logo lights in the winglets that illuminate the fuselage.
>They are embedded above the structural layups, and are halogens at the
>moment. The size is a bigger problem in this area. I might replace them
>with LED's instead. I have used these before at night, and they really are
>nice to use for inspecting and loading the airplane at night.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/19/2013 10:46 AM, William Walker wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> From the lack of response to my exterior mounted lights, I reconsidered
>the idea and decided to mount them inside the nose wheel well. Everything
>works just fine, and the nose gear tube clears them by about 1/4" on each
>side. They make a dramatic difference to the night landing and night taxi
>experience. I am in the process of uploading some videos to YouTube. I'll
>post the specifics when they finish uploading. Please forgive my carrier
>landings...suffering from some near-in focus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unexpectedly, they make the plane much more visible during the day. I
>had some fun working with a local contract tower controller by flying
>directly at the tower from various unknown (to him) directions first with
>just the landing light, then with the landing light and Darlas all on. With
>just the landing light, and him actively looking, I was able to get as close
>as 4-5 miles before he acquired me visually. With the Darlas added, and
>starting at 10 miles, I never got closer than 8 miles before he saw me.
>Pretty cool stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, they added 2 pounds and draw 2 amps. I can accept that for the
>benefits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some pics. Sorry for the graininess, but it was dusk and I had
>the camera set to iso3200.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Walker
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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