REFLECTOR: Was Fuel Tanks: Now Ethanol Free Mogas

Chris Barber cbarber at texasattorney.net
Wed Jan 9 17:19:44 CST 2013


Pure gas seems as good a reason as any for a cross county. Oh, yeah, gotta fly off my 40 first.

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On Jan 9, 2013, at 16:36, "Robert Wood" <slvegl99 at aol.com<mailto:slvegl99 at aol.com>> wrote:

Self-serve, Non ethanol auto gas. Sebring, Florida (KSEF)

Bob Wood

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On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber at texasattorney.net>> wrote:

Mo gas at your airport???  Do tell, what airport?

Chris
Houston

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On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:53, "nmflyer1 at aol.com<mailto:nmflyer1 at aol.com>" <nmflyer1 at aol.com<mailto:nmflyer1 at aol.com>> wrote:

You will Never get a good seal with a "slosh" on a fiberglass tank. They tried that with my 235 tip tanks, and it turned into a disaster.
I had to cut the tanks apart and fix them.

On another note, I fixed those tanks with Jeffco. They worked ok for several years, then started to soften. Odd, the top is where they softened, not the bottom where the fuel settled. I was using MoGas with no ethanol in those tanks. They don't leak, but will need some attention once the Velocity is up and squawk free.

I had planned on using  Mogas/100ll blend in the Velocity when at home. I'm not so sure it is worth the risk. There has been MoGas in the Velocity tanks for quite some time (from a different supplier) with no problems.

Unfortunately, some of the cleaners they put in the new fuels are able to penetrate the jeffco sealant. Since we do not know what they are, we have no way to test for them. You sure can not take the retailer's word on it. I am in the planning process to add MoGas to our airport. Once I get a little further down the road, I can do some more checking.

Kurt







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From: Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com<mailto:edjonesbrady at gmail.com>>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 11:05 am
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Was Fuel Tanks: Now Ethanol Free Mogas

It'll be interesting to see what the new fuel is. As was mentioned, could be a mess for us w/fiberglass tanks. It would be challenging to slosh a new product in my tanks... :(

Mark B. Magee
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On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:46 AM, "John Abraham" <john at velocityaircraft.com<mailto:john at velocityaircraft.com>> wrote:

Highly recommend everyone looking to use auto fuel talks to Bill Mulroney about his experiences and also tank sealing ideas.  He found as Michael said that the fuel injector cleaner has a chemical that goes through the Jeffco, doesn’t hurt the glass but eats the foam and you see your tanks shrink and you can see the bulkheads.  Everywhere he double glassed and epoxied prior to putting in the jeffco is fine.

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                      John Abraham
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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:13 AM
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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Was Fuel Tanks: Now Ethanol Free Mogas

Not until they take out the fuel injector cleaners that eat foam and fiberglass. You can find plenty of ethanol free auto fuel. Most distributors put in the ethanol but the other additives come from the refineries. Auto fuel + fiberglass tanks = trouble. We need metal tank drop in's or a much better sealant!

Michael E Dawson
ATCI CFII


On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com<mailto:edjonesbrady at gmail.com>> wrote:
All,
I thought I'd chime in on a related topic: Pure Gas. I have an app for my iPhone that locates stations selling ethanol free gasoline in my local area. Bere in central Texas there is plenty available. Search PUREGAS. I only run ethanol free gas in my cars, the app tells the last time it was tested ethanol free. As well you can easily test it yourself. Seems to be a growing 'rebel' movement against ethanol in gas. Should help you auto engine and mogas guys.

Mark B. Magee
N34XL
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On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber at texasattorney.net>> wrote:
It was my understanding that the strake baffles are structual.  How does this work on the inserts?  I had to redo my strakes a few years ago when the Jeffco failed badly.  It came off both strakes in sheets and flakes.  I do have an auto conversion, so yeah, the idea of cheaper gas is very appealing.  I have had samples in local 10% (mandated in the five counties surrounding Houston) ethonal for about five years ago with no noted problem...but, ya never know.  I have used both local auto gas and avgas during engine testing...now I am in the early stages of Phase One and just have it on my mind.  Hope to fly again on Thursday after addressing an issue which required an engine tear down and rebuild.

FWIW,

Chris
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I remember the pictures too. Looked good.

Rene' Dugas
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On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Jeff Barnes <jcbarnes411 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:jcbarnes411 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Hi Ron,

       Jean Prudhomme made some. They were pre-fab - just drop into your strakes.  Pics are (were) up on TVBF.ORG<http://tvbf.org/>.

Regards,

Jeff Barnes

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From: Velocity <velocityxl at fastmail.fm<mailto:velocityxl at fastmail.fm>>
Subject: REFLECTOR: Fuel Tanks
To: "reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>" <reflector at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 7:50 PM
With all the talk of new fuels coming down the pipe I have been wondering what it might mean to
fueling my velocity. My biggest concern is compatibility with the fuel strakes. I seem to remember
some one made or was going to make a blow molded tank that fit in the fuel strakes. Does
any one remember or know what ever became of this idea. Seems like a great fix
if I was building now but it may be the only option in the future.

Ron
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