REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 101, Issue 44
wimjhuisman
wimhuisman at gmail.com
Wed Aug 14 01:01:50 CDT 2013
Scott,
I just gave my opinion after flying my first (sexy) Velocity without
winglets for about 600 Hours in all kinds of weather and crosswinds.
I decided to built another one 15 years later, so that eliminates the
trashy part .
I thought that winglets were not needed and ugly, but after my 130 hours
with the winglets my humble experience is that although not as pretty, they
do make a difference.
Since you have so much experience as well, no doubt you have found yourself
trying to raise the nose sharp while making a tight turn during a base to
final.
Velocities ( or at least the 5 I have flown in) do not like that , you
first need to roll out of the turn before the nose will react as normal.
That process is much easier with winglets, as well as the approach attitude
at low speeds ,and aeleron and rudder inputs are more smooth.
Just my opinion, but thanks for your positive feedback.
Wim
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> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:38:49 -0500
> From: Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 101, Issue 32
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> Scott,
> We are so blessed to have your knowledge amongst us!
> No really!
> Thank you!
> For being so smart!
> AND tactful!
> You're the real deal!
>
> I love pilots!....
> We work it out, or duke it out!
>
> Mark B. Magee
> N34XL
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> On Aug 13, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
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> > Rene,
> >
> > I agree completely with you that I don't have comparative experience.
> I do have 800+ hours in a V without winglets, and 2,000+ additional hours
> in other aircraft. I have a wee bit of knowledge about how some GA
> airplanes perform and how a STD RG stacks up against them in very strong
> cross winds and gusty conditions.
> >
> > I still think the statement below is utterly untrue and it was what
> I disagreed with.
> >
> > ??With no wind and smooth approaches a 10 hour pilot can land a Velocity
> with or without winglets, but with serious crosswinds and unstable
> ??approaches ( busy traffic, sharp turns towards final) you will get in
> trouble without winglets fast.
> >
> > its bullshit. I say that because I don't like the airplane being
> trashed. Its very stable, easy to handle, if your used to a fast and
> slippery airplane. No different from any other fast high performance
> airplane. lower winglets or not.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 101, Issue 32
> > From: David Rene Dugas <renedugas at gmail.com>
> > To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> > Date: 08/13/2013 01:49 PM
> >> Curious if you have comparative experience in a lower wingleted Velo
> with similar conditions as PIC. No one has said it can't be done. The
> question seems to be what configuration is optimal and optimal for what?
> Maybe I have misread but it seems we are all saying the same thing. Most
> agree lowers offer more control, sans possibly sexier. Landing is one of
> the most important parts of the flying experience so we should do it as
> safely as possible. At least I want to fly with guys who think that
> way. ?
> >>
> >> Ren? Dugas
> >> Sent from an Apple REALLY smart phone.
> >>
> >> On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I disagree Wim,
> >>>
> >>> I am based at a single runway airport with significant crosswinds most
> of the time. the terrain here is no conducive to orient the runway with the
> prevailing winds, it is about 45 degrees off from them. And a 10-15 knot
> wind is more common than not.
> >>>
> >>> I have no problem landing with a cross wind. I've landed my V, a STD
> RG with no lower winglets many times with 30-35 knot wind at 45-90 degrees
> across the runway. A couple times 40+ knots. Its no more difficult than in
> a 210 or Bonanza, the two other airplanes I have also landed here at KGNT
> quite a few times.
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 101, Issue 32
> >>> From: wimjhuisman <wimhuisman at gmail.com>
> >>> To: reflector at tvbf.org <reflector at tvbf.org>
> >>> Date: 08/12/2013 11:17 AM
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have about 600 hours without, and 130 with Winglets in a Velocity.
> There should be no discussion, always put them on.
> >>>>
> >>>> With no wind and smooth approaches a 10 hour pilot can land a
> Velocity with or without winglets, but with serious crosswinds and
> unstable approaches ( busy traffic, sharp turns towards final) you will get
> in trouble without winglets fast.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wim Huisman
> >>>>
> >>>> N59wh and N127dh ( until 1999)
> >>>>
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> >>>>> 1. Anyone flying without bottom singlets? (jeff findarle)
> >>>>> 2. Re: Anyone flying without bottom singlets? (Brian Michalk)
> >>>>> 3. Re: Anyone flying without bottom singlets? (Kevin Baker)
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> >>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:35:30 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>>> From: jeff findarle <flynfindarle at yahoo.com>
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> >>>>> OK, I have talked to a few people who built their birds without the
> winglets and are telling me they are definitely fine without them. Any
> others out there like to comment?
> >>>>> Of course I realize that maybe they have not flown a Velocity with
> them, but they all said they have had no problems in slow flight
> controlability or in crosswind landings.
> >>>>> I really would prefer not to have them on the plane if possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> TEAM JEFF,
> >>>>> Jeff Findarle, GRI & Darin Heckel
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> >>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:41:33 -0500
> >>>>> From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
> >>>>> To: jeff findarle <flynfndarle at yahoo.com>, Velocity Aircraft Owners
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am flying without the winglets.
> >>>>> I would like more directional control, and am
> compensating with faster
> >>>>> approaches. I believe I will be testing them to see if they allow me
> >>>>> better control at slower airspeeds.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This will probably happen this fall after things cool off. I was at
> the
> >>>>> airport testing on Saturday, battling my high temps. It's just too
> hot
> >>>>> right now to tackle all of the minor squawks I've got. On my last
> >>>>> flight I advanced the timing slightly and got a hot #3 cylinder as a
> >>>>> result, but my oil duct cooling scoop seemed to work keeping my oil
> >>>>> temps below redline.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/12/2013 11:35 AM, jeff findarle wrote:
> >>>>> > OK, I have talked to a few people who built their birds without the
> >>>>> > winglets and are telling me they are definitely fine without them.
> Any
> >>>>> > others out there like to comment?
> >>>>> > Of course I realize that maybe they have not flown a Velocity with
> >>>>> > them, but they all said they have had no problems in slow flight
> >>>>> > controlability or in crosswind landings.
> >>>>> > I really would prefer not to have them on the plane if possible.
> >>>>> > TEAM JEFF,
> >>>>> > Jeff Findarle, GRI & Darin Heckel
> >>>>> > Realtor Realtor
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > AllStar Realty
> >>>>> > 575 N main St.
> >>>>> > Heber City, UT. 84032
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Jeff's Cell 435-503-0514
> >>>>> > Darin's Cell 435-671-3957
> >>>>> > Off. 435-654-9440
> >>>>> > Fax 435-654-9437
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Distressed Property Experts, Short Sales a Specialty!
> >>>>> > Don't Lose it, Sell it!
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> >>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:55:36 -0500
> >>>>> From: Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net>
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> >>>>> I have flown with winglets and had no issues.
> >>>>> I prefer them not only for flight characteristics that many have
> documented but I think they look better also
> >>>>> Kevin Baker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:35 AM, jeff findarle <flynfindarle at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > OK, I have talked to a few people who built their birds without
> the winglets and are telling me they are definitely fine
> without them. Any others out there like to comment?
> >>>>> > Of course I realize that maybe they have not flown a Velocity with
> them, but they all said they have had no problems in slow flight
> controlability or in crosswind landings.
> >>>>> > I really would prefer not to have them on the plane if possible.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > TEAM JEFF,
> >>>>> > Jeff Findarle, GRI & Darin Heckel
> >>>>> > Realtor
> Realtor
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > AllStar Realty
> >>>>> > 575 N main St.
> >>>>> > Heber City, UT. 84032
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Jeff's Cell 435-503-0514
> >>>>> > Darin's Cell 435-671-3957
> >>>>> > Off. 435-654-9440
> >>>>> > Fax 435-654-9437
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Distressed Property Experts, Short Sales a Specialty!
> >>>>> > Don't Lose it, Sell it!
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