REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 101, Issue 32

David Rene Dugas renedugas at gmail.com
Tue Aug 13 14:49:21 CDT 2013


Curious if you have comparative experience in a lower wingleted Velo with similar conditions as PIC. No one has said it can't be done. The question seems to be what configuration is optimal and optimal for what?  Maybe I have misread but it seems we are all saying the same thing. Most agree lowers offer more control, sans possibly sexier. Landing is one of the most important parts of the flying experience so we should do it as safely as possible. At least I want to fly with guys who think that way. 😎

René Dugas
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On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:

> I disagree Wim,
> 
> I am based at a single runway airport with significant crosswinds most of the time. the terrain here is no conducive to orient the runway with the prevailing winds, it is about 45 degrees off from them.  And a 10-15 knot wind is more common than not.
> 
> I have no problem landing with a cross wind.  I've landed my V, a STD RG with no lower winglets many times with 30-35 knot wind at 45-90 degrees across the runway.  A couple times 40+ knots. Its no more difficult than in a 210 or Bonanza, the two other airplanes I have also landed here at KGNT quite a few times.  
> 
> Scott
> 
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> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 101, Issue 32
> From: wimjhuisman <wimhuisman at gmail.com>
> To: reflector at tvbf.org <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Date: 08/12/2013 11:17 AM
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have about 600 hours without, and 130 with Winglets in a Velocity.  There should be no discussion, always put them on.
>> 
>> With no wind and smooth approaches a 10 hour pilot can land a Velocity with or without winglets, but  with serious crosswinds and unstable approaches ( busy traffic, sharp turns towards final) you will get in trouble without winglets fast.
>> 
>> Wim Huisman
>> 
>> N59wh and N127dh ( until 1999)
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>>> OK, I have talked to a few people who built their birds without the winglets and are telling me they are definitely fine without them. Any others out there like to comment?
>>> Of course I realize that maybe they have not flown a Velocity with them, but they all said they have had no problems in slow flight controlability or in crosswind landings.
>>> I really would prefer not to have them on the plane if possible.
>>> 
>>> ?
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>>> I am flying without the winglets.
>>> I would like more directional control, and am compensating with faster
>>> approaches.  I believe I will be testing them to see if they allow me
>>> better control at slower airspeeds.
>>> 
>>> This will probably happen this fall after things cool off.  I was at the
>>> airport testing on Saturday, battling my high temps.  It's just too hot
>>> right now to tackle all of the minor squawks I've got.  On my last
>>> flight I advanced the timing slightly and got a hot #3 cylinder as a
>>> result, but my oil duct cooling scoop seemed to work keeping my oil
>>> temps below redline.
>>> 
>>> On 8/12/2013 11:35 AM, jeff findarle wrote:
>>> > OK, I have talked to a few people who built their birds without the
>>> > winglets and are telling me they are definitely fine without them. Any
>>> > others out there like to comment?
>>> > Of course I realize that maybe they have not flown a Velocity with
>>> > them, but they all said they have had no problems in slow flight
>>> > controlability or in crosswind landings.
>>> > I really would prefer not to have them on the plane if possible.
>>> > TEAM JEFF,
>>> > Jeff Findarle, GRI & Darin Heckel
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>>> I have flown with winglets and had no issues.
>>> I prefer them not only for flight characteristics that many have documented but I think they look better also
>>> Kevin Baker
>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:35 AM, jeff findarle <flynfindarle at yahoo.com>             wrote:
>>> 
>>> > OK, I have talked to a few people who built their birds without the winglets and are telling me they are definitely fine without them. Any others out there like to comment?
>>> > Of course I realize that maybe they have not flown a Velocity with them, but they all said they have had no problems in slow flight controlability or in crosswind landings.
>>> > I really would prefer not to have them on the plane if possible.
>>> >
>>> > TEAM JEFF,
>>> > Jeff Findarle, GRI & Darin Heckel
>>> > Realtor                                                      Realtor
>>> >
>>> > AllStar Realty
>>> > 575 N main St.
>>> > Heber City, UT. 84032
>>> >
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>>> > Darin's Cell 435-671-3957
>>> > Off. 435-654-9440
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