REFLECTOR: Thrust line change

[Laurence Coen]

David,

The things that you are trying to fix are typical  of the way that a 
Velocity behaves.  You will never get it to act like a conventional 
aircraft.  A canard plane is different than a conventional and in my mind, 
superior.

Larry Coen
N136LC

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From: "David Ullman" <ullman at robustdecisions.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:36 PM
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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Thrustline change

> Thanks for all the feedback.  Based on it, I am going to make two changes:
> 1. change the thrust line.  I will start with about a 1/4 inch and see 
> what
> I learn.  I will report back.
> 2. Raise the nose about an inch.  Right now when I takeoff with just me on
> board and about 1" of elevator down trim , I get to about70kts and still
> have to pull back, then pop off the runway.  The pop is dramatic enough 
> that
> I warn passengers before the TO roll. I can change the setting on the nose
> wheel (Fixed gear) with a spacer behind the rubber block  (the new verison
> of rubber).  Not easy to get to, but changeable.  It will be interesting 
> to
> see if this also affects shimmy.  I don't have much now, but this will
> change the castor angle.
>
> I expect these two changes to shorten my take off roll.  Stay tuned.
>
> ON another topic.  I wrote a few weeks ago that I was throwing a lot of 
> oil
> out the breather.  I took the advice of some and ran the engine for a 
> couple
> of hours wide open.  Believe it or not, it worked!!!  My prop and belly 
> are
> no longer oil coated when I land.  There is a little, but an order less 
> than
> there was.  I have had two flights now with minimal oil loss.  Amazing!!!
>
> David Ullman
> N444DX
> President EAA 292
> 541-760-2338
> david at davidullman.com
>
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> I added over one inch of shim to my engine mount. I called Scott Swing to
> make sure it would be OK. He told me "no problem." He and a local friend
> said there are advantages in take off and landing (more downward thrust)
> and that I could change it later if it  proved ineffective. I'm still
> flying off the 40 hours, but in the 10+ hours I've flown, no perceivable
> problems. I do notice that in cruise, while trimming the elevator 100% 
> down
> - the trailing edge remains virtually neutral.
>
> Dennis Martin
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM, David Ullman
> <ullman at robustdecisions.com>wrote:
>
>> When I cruise with only me in the SEFG I have to put in 1/2 inch of down
>> trim (elevator up) or more.  This is clearly inefficient.  I already have
>> 18lb of lead in the nose and don't want to add more.  A friend suggested
>> shimming the top of the engine mount for a little downward pitch moment.
> I
>> sort of like the idea but am worried that it might increase my take off
>> distance as it will drive the canard downward a little.  He thinks it may
>> help as the engine thrust line is slight more upward.
>>
>> Any thoughts or experiences?
>>
>>
>> David Ullman
>> N444DX
>> President EAA 292
>> 541-760-2338
>> david at davidullman.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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