REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident

Mark Magee edjonesbrady at gmail.com
Tue Oct 9 21:13:45 CDT 2012


Gracias.


Mark B. Magee
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On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:

> There are mistruths, he states 3 prior accidents, two landing in the ocean.  He fails to mention one of those was intentional by the factory, the test pilot elected to stay in the airplane, he had a parachute, and soft landed in the ocean.  That plane  was flying the next day. He states that any canard airplane can be deep stalled at 128K by either aft cg or abrupt pullup! First half truth/Lie is that it takes a way aft CG, since the redesign you need to be 2-3+ inches or more aft of aft CG limit and get the airplane in a very odd     attitude, which at 128 knots I think thats probably not doable.  That you can deep stall a V by doing abrupt maneuvers is blatant speculation and I've never heard of anybody doing it. I've made some pretty aggressive maneuvers and been in some wild thunderstorm generated turbulence, by myself(aft CG) and never felt any indication at all of a deep stall.  And the accident plane hit really hard!  All three known deep stall accidents, one intentional, all hit very softly, and hit flat. This accident turned over, that would not be characteristic of a deep stall.
> 
> He took a few facts, dressed up a few assumptions, sugar coated a few lies and just made shit up!  I think he has a thing against canards and is playing fast and loose with the facts to paint the V as inherently dangerous. 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident
> From: Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Date: 10/09/2012 04:47 PM
>> Hi Scott,
>> Elaborate?
>> 
>> Mark B. Magee
>> M34XL
>> Sent from IPhone 4S
>> 
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> You know I've always liked reading Garrison's articles.  I now wonder if most of them are as full of bullshit as this one?  Probably so...
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Flying Magazine - 2009 Velocity accident
>>> From: Reiff Lorenz <Reiff at Lorenz.com>
>>> To: reflector at tvbf.org <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Date: 10/09/2012 03:42 PM
>>>>  
>>>> This month's Flying magazine has an article (copy attached) about a Velocity accident in 2009. The plane lost a prop blade and this author believes the pilot mistook the violent shaking to be flutter, pulled abruptly on the stick, put the plane into a deep stall, and had no way to use engine power to break the stall.
>>>>  
>>>> I wasn't a Reflector member in 2009 so don't know any more than what is in the article. Is there anything to learn from this apart from the obvious? (Make sure your prop blades stay attached, but recognize the symptoms if they don't, and fly the airplane.)
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Reiff Lorenz, Dayton, OH
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