REFLECTOR: Methods and Tools questions

Tony Babb tonybabb at alejandra.net
Thu Oct 4 05:43:25 CDT 2012 

I remember when I was at the factory 10 years ago, time flies when you're
having fun, and the subject of air tools came up and whether to use the best
quality you can get or the cheap ones. Consensus was the cheap tools last as
long as the expensive ones.

Depending on where you live you may need a heat box  to keep the epoxy warm,
I made my own from plywood lined with aluminum foil and an electric bulb
with a thermostat to do the heating. You'll also need an epoxy pump(Michaels
Sticky Stuff Dispenser)  to get the right ratio of epoxy/ hardener.

A few other ideas can be found on my page
http://www.pslt.biz/velocity/workshop.htm 

-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Clayton Chase
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 4:54 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Methods and Tools questions

Thanks for all the responses so far!   I'm glad I asked.     It sounds
like not much has been done with vacuum bagging on their Velocity.  I guess
it's up to me to see if I want to invest $800 or $1000 in
materials and equipment to see if it'll be worthwhile.    There was a
conversation a long time ago about release films and if you still needed to
sand, and after reading that and the study it referenced I think I will sand
even if I might not need to.

Brian:
You say I'll need an air compressor anyway; what do you use yours for
other than air powered tools?   And what size do you recommend?
2.5HP?   5HP?  How much storage?

About vibrating tools:  I have a Fein MultiMaster.  Boy does that
thing do a job!  I love it nearly as much as my dremel.     The first
three tools a man should have are a cordless drill, a dremel and then a Fein
saw.


I've currently got a bunch of mostly Makita tools, mostly cordless.
   Drill http://www.makita.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?ID=24026
   Reciprocating Saw
http://www.makita.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?ID=888
   Circular saw
http://www.makita.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?ID=24023
   Angle grinder.
http://www.makita.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?ID=10948
   Finishing sander (corded)
http://www.ryobitools.com/catalog/power_tools/corded/S652DK
   Random orbit sander (corded)
http://www.makita.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?ID=316374
   Heat gun
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/tools/specialty-tools/heat-guns/dual-temperatur
e-heat-gun/8975-6
   Dust collector:
http://www.harborfreight.com/2-hp-industrial-5-micron-dust-collector-97869.h
tml
   Dremel: (I've got a couple and everybody knows what a dremel is)
   Fein Multimaster:
http://www.feinus.com/en_us/oscillating/multimaster/fein-multimaster-top-plu
s-0285811/
   Shop Vac:
http://www.homedepot.com/Appliances-Vacuum-Cleaners-Floor-Care-Wet-Dry-Vacuu
ms/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbv79/R-100081216/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=
-1&storeId=10051#.UGt4Q1HZ3ng
   Several random work lights, flashlights, hand tools, etc.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Rene Dugas <renedugas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Fein saw.  Vibrates or oscillates.  Many are serious advocates.
>
> Sent from Rene's iPad. A pleasure.  Go Apple.
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Gattenby <gattenby at tulsaconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> My 2 cents
>> A battery drill is a must.
>> I then went with a medium big air compressor,  then CHEAP air tools.
Fiber glass dust is hard on tools.
>> One thing I didn't get that I wish I had was one of those vibratory 
>> cutting tools (don't know what they are called) I know that Andy Millian
built his with out using any air tools so each his own!
>> This summer my most used tool is a 17 inch air file (sander).  I wouldn't
do slow build wings without one.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Clayton Chase <chasec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm getting closer to getting my basement ready and as a consequence
>>> actually being able to start on my kit.   Since I would like to
>>> complete the kit using the same methods I start with, I am asking 
>>> the group for your collective wisdom.
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anybody successfully used vacuum bagging for much on the velocity?
>>> I went through Brett Ferrell's archive and some web searching and
>>> didn't find much.   Someone is selling strake baffles that are vacuum
>>> bagged and some of the quickbuild wings used to be done with vacuum
>>> bagging techniques, but I don't see much about it on the list.    If I
>>> do go for a vacuum system some things that I think will be good to 
>>> do are the main wings, and winglets and the canard.  I'm not sure 
>>> that I'll be able to do the layups that are on existing pieces very 
>>> well since I'll need vacuum tape and need the other surface to be
airtight.
>>> Plus if I did a large piece I'd be concerned about deforming the 
>>> piece I'm adding onto.
>>>
>>> How much use would I get out of an air compressor?  All of my 
>>> current power tools are electric/battery driven and I'd prefer to 
>>> stick with more of those rather than have a mix of air and electric 
>>> tools so the compressor would actually only provide air rather than tool
power.
>>> The uses I can think of are mostly around dusting and cleaning.  I 
>>> have an airless paint sprayer that may or may not be useful when I 
>>> get to that stage.
>>>
>>> I've got saws, drills, sanders, sanding blocks, levels and straight 
>>> edges and so on.  I'm planning on getting some clecos (and tool for
>>> them).    Any other tools you guys think I should get before I even
>>> start?
>>>
>>> Clay
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