REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 86, Issue 98 Kit transport
Mark Riley
the_rileys1 at verizon.net
Wed May 23 20:16:03 CDT 2012
I picked up my first kit in a big Uhaul and transported it myself with the spar already installed. It was no big deal. I tied the wings to the interior walls, tied the spar/fuselage diagonally and boxed the rest. There was no damage whatsoever. I agree that the best option is DIY in a rental truck.
Mark
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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:26 -0500
> From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: First problem - Shipping!
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> On 05/22/2012 10:49 PM, Clayton Chase wrote:
>> So I've got the XL-FG kit now, but it's down in California near LA and
>> I'm up in Seattle. I want to send the kit to the factory but am
>> having some trouble finding a shipper, let alone crating the thing up.
>> I don't have the time available to drive it myself, unfortunately.
>>
>> My current plan is to fly down there this weekend with some power
>> tools, rent a truck at Home Depot, load it up with plywood and other
>> stuff as necessary and build a crate to hold the kit in it's entirety
>> and tarp it up. Let the kit sit outside in the previous owner's
>> driveway until a shipper can come pick it up and take it to Florida
>> for me.
>>
>> I'd like to pay less than $2,000 for the shipping, but the quotes I
>> get depend a LOT on what I say I'm shipping. If I give them the same
>> weight and size, I get about $1800 if it's "Fiberglass pieces" but
>> $3500 if it's "Fiberglass airplane pieces". The National Motor
>> Freight Classification system is not very easy to understand.
>>
>> I have a few questions I need help with:
>>
>> #1: Is there anything better to do than build a big 16' x 6' x 6' box
>> and ship it with absolutely everything inside?
>> #2: Does anybody have experience with a shipper that did a good job
>> delivering a kit that they would recommend?
>> #3: If you ever shipped a kit, what NMFC class did you use?
>>
>> I'm open to ideas and recommendations.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all your help!
>>
>> Clayton Chase
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:48:07 -0400
> From: Reiff Lorenz <Reiff at Lorenz.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: New owner - Introduction
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> Clayton,
>
> Congrats on your new project! Did you buy the kit from Onik "Harry" Alajajyan? I heard he was selling one in the southern CA area and was offering a good price on an unstarted kit.
>
> You'll find the community here very helpful. I have some ideas for your transportation issues, but will post them on that thread.
>
>
> Reiff Lorenz, Dayton, OH
> XL-RG, 32% complete
> Preping winglet tips and extensions for bonding
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Clayton Chase
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:33 PM
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR: New owner - Introduction
>
> Hi everybody!
>
> My name is Clayton Chase and I just bought a used but un-started XL-FG kit.
> I'll answer a few of the basics about myself to get started.
> I live in Seattle and work in the information technology field.
> I've been flying for about 3 years now and have 400+ hours and my CFI.
> My goal with the Velocity is to fly from Seattle to Arizona and
> California a couple of times a year, plus to the Midwest to visit my
> family about once a year. I am planning on building in my
> basement, and am making significant changes prior to the kit arriving
> so I can get it in and out and have enough room to work. I've been
> lusting after velocities for about 2 years now and finally bought the
> kit. I'm really looking forward to working on it and expect it to
> take me about 6 years.
>
> I've already got 'issues' that I hope the list can help me with that
> I'll put in a new message so it's easier to track.
>
> Clayton Chase
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 06:57:44 -0700
> From: Clayton Chase <chasec at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: New owner - Introduction
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> Reiff:
>
> Yes, I did get the one from Harry. I first found out about it by
> reading your reflector message about his kit.
>
> Clayton
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Reiff Lorenz <Reiff at lorenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Clayton,
>>
>> Congrats on your new project! Did you buy the kit from Onik "Harry" Alajajyan? I heard he was selling one in the southern CA area and was offering a good price on an unstarted kit.
>>
>> You'll find the community here very helpful. I have some ideas for your transportation issues, but will post them on that thread.
>>
>>
>> Reiff Lorenz, Dayton, OH
>> XL-RG, 32% complete
>> Preping winglet tips and extensions for bonding
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Clayton Chase
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:33 PM
>> To: reflector at tvbf.org
>> Subject: REFLECTOR: New owner - Introduction
>>
>> Hi everybody!
>>
>> My name is Clayton Chase and I just bought a used but un-started XL-FG kit.
>> I'll answer a few of the basics about myself to get started.
>> I live in Seattle and work in the information technology field.
>> I've been flying for about 3 years now and have 400+ hours and my CFI.
>> ?My goal with the Velocity is to fly from Seattle to Arizona and
>> California a couple of times a year, plus to the Midwest to visit my
>> family about once a year. ? ? I am planning on building in my
>> basement, and am making significant changes prior to the kit arriving
>> so I can get it in and out and have enough room to work. ? I've been
>> lusting after velocities for about 2 years now and finally bought the
>> kit. ? ?I'm really looking forward to working on it and expect it to
>> take me about 6 years.
>>
>> I've already got 'issues' that I hope the list can help me with that
>> I'll put in a new message so it's easier to track.
>>
>> Clayton Chase
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:52:16 -0400
> From: Reiff Lorenz <Reiff at Lorenz.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: First problem - Shipping!
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> Clayton,
>
>
>
> Here's my transportation suggestion: Rent a box truck in LA and drive the kit home yourself.
>
>
>
> Benefits:
>
> 1. You won't need to fly down there and back just to build a crate
>
> 2. You won't have the expense of buying wood to build the crate
>
> 3. You won't need to worry about or pay the 3rd party transporters
>
> 4. It won't take much more of your time than it would to prep it for someone else to transport
>
> 5. You don't have to worry about it sitting in someone else's driveway while waiting for pickup
>
> 6. You will have physical custody of the kit from the day you get there until it is safe at home
>
> 7. You'll have it home in 3 days!
>
>
>
> Here is what worked for me when I took my unstarted kit from Ohio to Florida:
>
> 1. Rent a 20- or 24-foot box truck in LA from Budget, Penske, or Ryder. (The fuselage is ~17+ feet before the engine cowl is cut, so the 18-foot trucks won't give you much extra room.) You can get a 1-way rental for a week for around $1,800. Rent one dozen cargo blankets with the truck. (3-dozen if the wings and canard are built.) Truck quality from the cheaper places is hit-and-miss. Be prepared to have no A/C or radio (even if they say it's included). Join AAA if you're not already a member. AAA covers the member, no matter what they're driving-cheap insurance to have in case there's a problem with the truck.
>
> 2. Buy or bring with you: 2.5" drywall screws and washers that fit these screws. A cordless drill/screwdriver. A padlock for the truck's cargo door. If the wings and canard are fast-build-finished, you'll want some cargo straps and 4 inexpensive saw-horses.
>
> 3. Put the fuselage in the truck on a few layers of blankets. Drill 4 small holes in the fuselage bottom right through the blankets into the wood floor of the truck. (Location doesn't matter much.) Use the drywall screws and washers to secure the fuselage to the floor of the truck. (If you don't have a drill, you can just force the screws to self-tap through all the layers.)
>
> 4. The top half of the fuselage will be safe sitting on the bottom half. Secure the halves together using the drywall screws through their flanges. The screws don't have to be tight in the holes . . . they're just there to keep the top half from sliding around.
>
> 5. Pack the rest of the kit in and around the fuselage. If none of the fast-build work has been done, all the rest of the parts are easily loaded by 1 person.
>
> 6. If the wings and canard are built, you (with a helper) can hang them on the walls of the truck using the cargo straps. Use the blankets to wrap the wings. Make sure that there is padding between the wings and the cargo straps-a fiberglass corner can quickly cut through the webbing. Place the sawhorses under the wings so that they don't crash to the floor if the webbing breaks. For extra security, you can run drywall screws through the blankets into the truck's side rails. If everything else fails, the blanket will rip, slowly lowering the wing to the truck floor.
>
> 7. Drive it home. Unload it. Return the truck. Start building.
>
>
>
> One thought on insurance: Most aircraft builder policies don't cover transportation more than 50 miles and don't provide replacement value coverage (important for those who bought a used kit for much less than a new one costs!) You may be able to get a rider on your homeowners policy covering "personal property" that would provide replacement-value coverage while transporting it.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps! Feel free to call or email with any questions.
>
>
> Reiff Lorenz, Dayton, OH
> Reiff at Lorenz.com<mailto:Reiff at Lorenz.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Clayton Chase
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:49 PM
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR: First problem - Shipping!
>
>
>
> So I've got the XL-FG kit now, but it's down in California near LA and
>
> I'm up in Seattle. I want to send the kit to the factory but am
>
> having some trouble finding a shipper, let alone crating the thing up.
>
> I don't have the time available to drive it myself, unfortunately.
>
>
>
> My current plan is to fly down there this weekend with some power tools, rent a truck at Home Depot, load it up with plywood and other stuff as necessary and build a crate to hold the kit in it's entirety
>
> and tarp it up. Let the kit sit outside in the previous owner's
>
> driveway until a shipper can come pick it up and take it to Florida for me.
>
>
>
> I'd like to pay less than $2,000 for the shipping, but the quotes I
>
> get depend a LOT on what I say I'm shipping. If I give them the same
>
> weight and size, I get about $1800 if it's "Fiberglass pieces" but
>
> $3500 if it's "Fiberglass airplane pieces". The National Motor
>
> Freight Classification system is not very easy to understand.
>
>
>
> I have a few questions I need help with:
>
>
>
> #1: Is there anything better to do than build a big 16' x 6' x 6' box and ship it with absolutely everything inside?
>
> #2: Does anybody have experience with a shipper that did a good job delivering a kit that they would recommend?
>
> #3: If you ever shipped a kit, what NMFC class did you use?
>
>
>
> I'm open to ideas and recommendations.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for all your help!
>
>
>
> Clayton Chase
>
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