REFLECTOR: Was Brakes -> Now Forum

Kevin Baker flykb at verizon.net
Mon May 14 11:23:45 CDT 2012


Hi Brian
I want you to know you we all really appreciate everything you do for us.

Thanks
Kevin Baker

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On May 14, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com> wrote:

> I am currently running the email list, if any of you did not know that.
> 
> It seems like searchability is the issue.  I have archives going back to even before the list was on my servers.  I have over time explored various solutions to this and can look at what's available now.
> 
> On 5/12/2012 1:50 PM, Mark Magee wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> I do the same as you, assigning filters to threads pertinent to my bird.
>> It is not a matter of not liking email: it is a matter of search-ability and organizational structure. 
>> Problem is new folks joining the community don't have those emails (as you, I and others do) from the past. Their life won't be as easy as yours in searching for data. Does that matter? We are talking aircraft here. Do we want a thriving and growing Velo community? We even have a new bird in the VTwin.
>> In a nutshell if we stay status quo on a truly antiquated mailing list format we compromise the newcomers forcing them to search bundles of Archived Digests going back 20 years. As well those of us in the club now can have search difficulty vs the ease of a forum.
>> The new folks wishing to join our community have to turn back the clock 10+ years in web technology for Archived and Bundled old threads pertinent to their flight safety in the building-maintaining and flying of their birds.
>> As stated multiple times previous, if we converted to a forum, everyone who wanted every post to the forum emailed to them real time can have that. 
>> This change is greatly needed for the health of our community. I was shocked as a relative newcomer 2+ years ago the community being on a mailing list. I honestly didn't know anyone was using them anymore (I did use them for years late 90's and into the early 2000's).
>> 
>> So in a nutshell we are not the least bit newcomer friendly, and compromise the new folks to our community in terms of flight safety.
>> 
>> Straw Poll?
>> 
>> RESPECTFULLY!
>> 
>> Mark B. Magee
>> N34XL 300HP 80HRS
>> 
>> 'Texan by birth, Canardian by choice'
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
>> I agree with Kevin.   I don't delete any of the reflector emails.  I have           about 8 years worth and they are very easy to search.  I also filter all my incoming mail  so all rflector mail goes into its own folder.  I actually have about 8 filters for different topics.  Its all about being smart with email.
>> 
>> I don't care if the reflector is copied to a forum interface for those that don't like email,  as long as the reflector email list based system is not changed.  I will not switch to a forum based system.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >Hi Mark,
>> >I do understand forums. It is really how folks get and use the media.
>> >With the emails folks get immediate access anywhere they are and are able to respond to questions or requests for answers quickly.
>> >Take mobile phones for example, I get emails all day and are able to respond without doing anything.
>> >With a forum you have to login, see what new navigate thru a web page, ect ect
>> >Not very convient and I'm sure less folks would take the time to keep logging in to check.
>> >
>> >It seems the issue you have is you don't want emails and want to search archives.
>> >Why don't you just not delete your emails and search your own email archive, that is what I do and I'm sure others do as well.
>> >I can export all the old emails to txt files for you to upload into you email prog if you want.
>> >Most email programs allow you to search any field for any key word.
>> >Then boom there you have a sorted list of just the emails you are looking for.
>> >
>> >No offense taken  :-)
>> >
>> >I love getting the emails all day and see lots of folks responding to alot of "how do you" , "does anyone have" and then see someone with in minutes respond and the builder with the help or answers.
>> >With a forum one may not get the help until late that night or days later when someone gets around to logging in and checking the website. Not very easy or convient on smartphones ect
>> >
>> >I think Brett posts the emails to his site, are you not able to login and use that?
>> >
>> >
>> >Just my 2 c
>> >
>> >Kevin Baker
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>> >On May 12, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Kevin/All,
>> >>
>> >> A forum would be MUCH easier to find old threads later to review valuable info posted up IMHO. There is a -good- reason most all other interest groups on the web are in forum format. The only downside is the necessity of a relatively active administrator.
>> >> For instance: this Matco brake upgrade thread is very valuable to me personally (XL FG: orig Matcos). I can't really take action on this this weekend so all I can do is create a file folder for this thread on my end. OTW I have to either email search my folders or (please no) search a an archive. In a forum format it would -always- be there for everyone for future reference and easily found by a search.
>> >> I participate on multiple forums on the web for varied topics and I fear a lot of very valuable data is lost for those of us who subscribe here: searching a digested mailing list archive in my mind is akin to searching microfiche vs the ease of a forum format.
>> >> Kevin, are you a member of any forums? Frankly I can't understand anyone who is would prefer this to a format a forum.
>> >> I was on a VW mailing list that went to a forum 10 years ago...
>> >> No offense intended to the originators of this mailing list and those in their comfort zone here. It is very valuable, just very difficult to search for a topic covered in the past.
>> >> To repeat, there are valid reasons that nearly (virtually?) all interest groups on the web have abandoned mailing lists and are forum based.
>> >> We would all benefit greatly, flight safety would benefit by a forum format.
>> >>
>> >> My $.02
>> >>
>> >> Mark B. Magee
>> >> N34XL
>> >> Sent from IPhone 4
>> >>
>> >> Texan by birth, Canardian by choice.
>> >>
>> >> On May 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I concur
>> >>> I like the current email format.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kevin Baker
>> >>>
>> >>> .
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>> >>> On May 11, 2012, at 4:26 PM, "Scott" <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would not be happy if the list moved to a forum.  Probably would rarely participate.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my Android phone.
>> >>>>
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