REFLECTOR: Was Brakes -> Now Forum

Brian Michalk michalk at awpi.com
Mon May 14 10:54:54 CDT 2012


I am currently running the email list, if any of you did not know that.

It seems like searchability is the issue.  I have archives going back to 
even before the list was on my servers.  I have over time explored 
various solutions to this and can look at what's available now.

On 5/12/2012 1:50 PM, Mark Magee wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> I do the same as you, assigning filters to threads pertinent to my bird.
> It is not a matter of not liking email: it is a matter of 
> search-ability and organizational structure.
> Problem is new folks joining the community don't have those emails (as 
> you, I and others do) from the past. Their life won't be as easy as 
> yours in searching for data. Does that matter? We are talking aircraft 
> here. Do we want a thriving and growing Velo community? We even have a 
> new bird in the VTwin.
> In a nutshell if we stay status quo on a truly antiquated mailing list 
> format we compromise the newcomers forcing them to search bundles of 
> Archived Digests going back 20 years. As well those of us in the club 
> now can have search difficulty vs the ease of a forum.
> The new folks wishing to join our community have to turn back the 
> clock 10+ years in web technology for Archived and Bundled old threads 
> pertinent to their flight safety in the building-maintaining and 
> flying of their birds.
> As stated multiple times previous, if we converted to a forum, 
> everyone who wanted every post to the forum emailed to them real time 
> can have that.
> This change is greatly needed for the health of our community. I was 
> shocked as a relative newcomer 2+ years ago the community being on a 
> mailing list. I honestly didn't know anyone was using them anymore (I 
> did use them for years late 90's and into the early 2000's).
>
> So in a nutshell we are not the least bit newcomer friendly, and 
> compromise the new folks to our community in terms of flight safety.
>
> Straw Poll?
>
> RESPECTFULLY!
>
> Mark B. Magee
> N34XL 300HP 80HRS
>
> 'Texan by birth, Canardian by choice'
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net 
> <mailto:scott at tnstaafl.net>> wrote:
>
>     I agree with Kevin.   I don't delete any of the reflector emails.
>      I have about 8 years worth and they are very easy to search.  I
>     also filter all my incoming mail  so all rflector mail goes into
>     its own folder.  I actually have about 8 filters for different
>     topics.  Its all about being smart with email.
>
>     I don't care if the reflector is copied to a forum interface for
>     those that don't like email,  as long as the reflector email list
>     based system is not changed.  I will not switch to a forum based
>     system.
>
>     Scott
>
>     Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net <mailto:flykb at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>     >Hi Mark,
>     >I do understand forums. It is really how folks get and use the media.
>     >With the emails folks get immediate access anywhere they are and
>     are able to respond to questions or requests for answers quickly.
>     >Take mobile phones for example, I get emails all day and are able
>     to respond without doing anything.
>     >With a forum you have to login, see what new navigate thru a web
>     page, ect ect
>     >Not very convient and I'm sure less folks would take the time to
>     keep logging in to check.
>     >
>     >It seems the issue you have is you don't want emails and want to
>     search archives.
>     >Why don't you just not delete your emails and search your own
>     email archive, that is what I do and I'm sure others do as well.
>     >I can export all the old emails to txt files for you to upload
>     into you email prog if you want.
>     >Most email programs allow you to search any field for any key word.
>     >Then boom there you have a sorted list of just the emails you are
>     looking for.
>     >
>     >No offense taken  :-)
>     >
>     >I love getting the emails all day and see lots of folks
>     responding to alot of "how do you" , "does anyone have" and then
>     see someone with in minutes respond and the builder with the help
>     or answers.
>     >With a forum one may not get the help until late that night or
>     days later when someone gets around to logging in and checking the
>     website. Not very easy or convient on smartphones ect
>     >
>     >I think Brett posts the emails to his site, are you not able to
>     login and use that?
>     >
>     >
>     >Just my 2 c
>     >
>     >Kevin Baker
>     >
>     >.
>     >
>     >On May 12, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com
>     <mailto:edjonesbrady at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Hi Kevin/All,
>     >>
>     >> A forum would be MUCH easier to find old threads later to
>     review valuable info posted up IMHO. There is a -good- reason most
>     all other interest groups on the web are in forum format. The only
>     downside is the necessity of a relatively active administrator.
>     >> For instance: this Matco brake upgrade thread is very valuable
>     to me personally (XL FG: orig Matcos). I can't really take action
>     on this this weekend so all I can do is create a file folder for
>     this thread on my end. OTW I have to either email search my
>     folders or (please no) search a an archive. In a forum format it
>     would -always- be there for everyone for future reference and
>     easily found by a search.
>     >> I participate on multiple forums on the web for varied topics
>     and I fear a lot of very valuable data is lost for those of us who
>     subscribe here: searching a digested mailing list archive in my
>     mind is akin to searching microfiche vs the ease of a forum format.
>     >> Kevin, are you a member of any forums? Frankly I can't
>     understand anyone who is would prefer this to a format a forum.
>     >> I was on a VW mailing list that went to a forum 10 years ago...
>     >> No offense intended to the originators of this mailing list and
>     those in their comfort zone here. It is very valuable, just very
>     difficult to search for a topic covered in the past.
>     >> To repeat, there are valid reasons that nearly (virtually?) all
>     interest groups on the web have abandoned mailing lists and are
>     forum based.
>     >> We would all benefit greatly, flight safety would benefit by a
>     forum format.
>     >>
>     >> My $.02
>     >>
>     >> Mark B. Magee
>     >> N34XL
>     >> Sent from IPhone 4
>     >>
>     >> Texan by birth, Canardian by choice.
>     >>
>     >> On May 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net
>     <mailto:flykb at verizon.net>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> I concur
>     >>> I like the current email format.
>     >>>
>     >>> Kevin Baker
>     >>>
>     >>> .
>     >>>
>     >>> On May 11, 2012, at 4:26 PM, "Scott" <scott at tnstaafl.net
>     <mailto:scott at tnstaafl.net>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I would not be happy if the list moved to a forum.  Probably
>     would rarely participate.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Sent from my Android phone.
>     >>>>
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