REFLECTOR: Now Forum

Sun May 13 20:41:57 CDT 2012

I agree
How will we be able to make sure everyone gets a login and is able to vote?
I think well need a polling via this email list to be sure to capture these folks as well
Ie if folks are unable to utilize the more complicated logging in and web browser they will not signup or login 
And well loose those members.
I think if we are going to do vote we need to do the voting via email to capture everyone's vote utilizing the same technology.

Thanks
Kevin Baker

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On May 13, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Hiroo Umeno <humeno at microsoft.com> wrote:

> Since there seems to be an informal discussion / vote going on, I would like to throw in my couple pennies worth.
>  
> My preference is for the Reflector to remain an e-mail mailing list.  I think having a web archive somewhere to point new members to is fine but the core discussions would be preferable on the e-mail.
>  
> Here are some of my objections to the web forums.
> ·         Others have pointed out that they are pain to navigate, read, follow, and filter. 
> ·         E-mail can be used offline.  Having it on e-mail means I have an offline archive I can take to the hangar and reference with full searching capability.  I cannot do that with web forum
> ·         Web forum represent a security vector that can be exploited by hackers and phishers.   
> ·         Web forums are subject to the hosting company’s whims.  Yahoo, etc has forums but they are likely to insert ads and also the content are owned by the hosting company (read ToS  carefully).
> ·         Many of the web based social forums require sign-up to their services / accounts.
> ·         And please, please, please don’t turn Reflector into something like Facebook group.
> ·         Lastly, on the point of the App Mark has brought up…  If there is going to be an app, please do not make that the primary method of accessing the Reflector as some of us dinosaurs do not have (or want) iDevice or Android devices.
>  
>  
> Hiroo
>  
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Magee
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:48 PM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Now Forum
>  
> Hi Kevin,
> I think you will need an APP, there are different forum host software packages but what I stated is as I know it. I respond routinely without the APP which apparently will make it even easier.
> Brett, any comments?
> 
> Mark B. Magee
> Sent from IPhone 4
> 
> On May 12, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Kevin Baker <flykb at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Mmmmm
>  
> I thought that the emails would work the same way.
> You'll have to login to a web site or get an app to reply to emails?
> That's not the same.
>  
> If we are able to participate in the sane manner as we do now ... Get emails and respond via emails as we do now -ok
>  
> If we are not able to respond to emails without an app or logging into a web page  then I would vote to keep things the way they are.
>  
> I think we would be leaving out folks that could respond and provide helpful info but would not due to the hassle of having to login to a web page (not convient on smartphones) or having to run an app to see what's going on.
>  
> Respectfully 
> Kevin Baker
> 
> .
> 
> On May 12, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
> The following folks use the forum format. I will graciously present to the group that we are smarter than most folks for we do fly canards. However, I will as well submit that our mailing list format is not a secret weapon that keeps us happier and more informed that these folks, whom I will assign a modicum of intelligence despite a lack of vision (no canards):
> Experimental:
> Vans RV Forum: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/index.php
> Vans UK:http://rvforum.co.uk/YaBB.pl
> Lancair Builders: http://www.lancair-builders.com/forum/index.php
> Lancair Legacy: http://www.highrf.com/forums/
> Kitfox Forum: http://www.teamkitfox.com/Forums/
> Rotax Powered: http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
> Rotorway: http://www.rotorwayownersgroup.com/
> Avid Kitfox Forum: http://www.avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?/forum/26-avid-flyer-general-hangar/
> Gyrocopter/EXP Rotorheads: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26679
> GA:
> Cessna 172: http://www.cessna172club.com/forum/
> Mooney: http://www.mooneyspace.com/index.cfm?action=forums
> Beech Singles: http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2
> Piper: http://www.piperowner.org/forums.html
> Navion: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/navion_aircraft_mail/
> 
> This was a cursory list by no means exhaustive. We need to make the move, those happy with the status quo will get all the emails they toggle 'ON' to. If you toggle on to everything, then you'll see all the traffic posted to the forum. Responding to the emails from your phone will either require an APP or using your browser. So the only advantage I see of the mailing list format is the response that hits everyone by email alone. You will have that if you get an APP, if not you'll have to log into the forum by phone  browser.
> I really had no intention of getting on this today, someone else brought it up so I piled on I suppose. 
> No offense to anyone, I think everyone wins if we go to a forum, particularly new folks. Flight safety for the community are my motives.
> 
> Respectfully (But let's do this people)
> 
> Mark B. Magee 
> N34XL XLFG 300HP 80HRS
> 
> 'Texan by birth, Canardian by choice'
> 
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> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Brett Ferrell <reflector at velocityxl.com> wrote:
> That's correct, and I've already imported emails that I had from back to 2001, so I've captured a fair amount of history.
>  
> But I don't want to push a change that there isn't concensus for.  After watching the fracturing of the Canard forums the most important thing for me is that there is one community so folks can have conversations with the largest set of builders possible.  If we can and want to improve it, I'm all for that, but I don't want to create dischord.
> 
> Brett
>  
> > Brett
> >Am I correct in understanding that you would be able to do both?
> >Forum and email (as it is now?)
> >If that's true I could also send you all the past emails exported from my email program and could you import them for everyone ?
> >
> >Thanks
> > Kevin Baket
> 
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