REFLECTOR: Cooling the engine

Wed Mar 28 09:46:56 CDT 2012

Brett,
This is very encouraging data. The Vortex Dam
data which is shown but not discussed is interesting as well.
Has anyone installed these corner baffles on a downdraft Velocity? If so please share
results. OTW it appears straightforward and easy to apply
a temporary dam and see how she reacts.
Thanks again Brett for sharing. This can be really big if 
a DD Velo responds similarly as that Long EZ, which I would
think it would.

Mark B. Magee
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On Mar 28, 2012, at 8:38 AM, "Brett Ferrell" <reflector at velocityxl.com> wrote:

> There is a very good article by Marc Borom, which has moved around.  Here is the current link
> http://marc-borom.com/LongEZ/NACA_AirFlow.htm
> 
> I'm going to capture it on the Wiki as well in case it moves again....
> http://www.velocityxl.com/wiki/index.php?title=NACA_Ducts
> 
> Brett
> 
> 
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Kevin Baker 
> To: Ron N Velocity XLFG , Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list 
> Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list 
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Cooling the engine
> Sent: 28 Mar '12 07:56
> 
> http://forum.canardaviation.com/archive/index.php?t-7.html
> 
> This is part of the email I had recieved.
> 
> Thanks
> Kevin Baker
> 
> .
> 
> On Mar 28, 2012, at 7:19 AM, "Ron N Velocity XLFG" <VelocityXL at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Did not try side dams  .Will give it a try though .
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kevin Baker
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Cc: reflector at tvbf.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Cooling the engine
>> 
>> Hi Scott
>> Did you try to add the "side dams" to catch the spillage.
>> I saw a note somewhere that those helped but don't remember where I saw it.
>> 
>> Kevin Baker
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:26, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I posted this with attached photos and then realized the total was probably way over the list attachment size limit.
>>> So I put all the referenced photos in this file  http://tnstaafl.net/canards/cooling.zip
>>> 
>>> I also found the testing photos of the spillage of air out of the top NACA's 
>>> 
>>> http://tnstaafl.net/canards/right_naca_rear.jpg
>>> http://tnstaafl.net/canards/left_naca_rear.jpg
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron, 
>>> 
>>> I feel your pain. Been that and Done there. 
>>> 
>>> I don.t think you'll get any joy from changing the 2-into-1 exhaust. 
>>> 
>>> Things I did to get from barely around the pattern before exceeding redline CHT limits to comfortable cruise at 330-380- CHT temps in the summer. 
>>> 
>>> 1.) Extremely anal about tight plenum and cylinder baffles. no unplanned holes larger than a pencil.  Be sure all you cylinder baffles are in place. 
>>> 
>>> 2.) Large(half to 3/4 inch high) VG's apx. 6 inches in front of your upper NACA inlets.(vg.jpg) 
>>> 
>>> 3.) Diverters around the exhaust exits, Air was entering the lower cowling, specially at high angles of attack, increasing the lower cowl pressure which reduced the flow through the cylinders. .(picture attached)  exhaust1 is looking back at it, exhaust2 from the side, left is front. 
>>> 
>>> 4.) extended the NACA lip, (nacatest.jpg is testing the spillage and shape of the eventual extender, extend.jpg is the extender installed) 
>>> 
>>> 5.) lower cowl flap. (lowerside is a side view cowling removed. cowlrear is looking dow the business end of the cowl flap) 
>>> 
>>> Scott 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Forget injuries, never forget kindnesses. 
>>> Confucius 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron Velocity XLFG wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well I have to high engine temps and I am working on reducing them.
>>>> 
>>>> Exhaust wrap I have read that they are  good at keeps the heat out of the cowling
>>>>              Bad may cause a crack in the pipes any one tried this method
>>>> with success of failure?
>>>> 
>>>> I have a two in to one exhaust that goes next to the oil pan .
>>>> First I was going to wrap the exhaust pipes but now I may consider
>>>> making two straight pipes out of the engine instead of the two in to one.
>>>> My hope would be cooler engine. any thoughts. I did the two in to one
>>>> with the idea of reducing engine noise but if it is adding heat it must go.
>>>> 
>>>> Tried a few mods to the nacas. None helped most made it worse for
>>>> cooling.  I had fans to help in cooling on the ground I removed them
>>>> and it helped in the air but now I must get in the air  a little more quickly now.
>>>> 
>>>> I was going to add a cowling flap I have heard this would help any thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
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