REFLECTOR: V-Twin in Airventure news

Tue Jul 31 12:00:50 CDT 2012

I found building to the plans is very fast . Every change you make to 
the plans add time exponentially.
  Wing building went  fast Fuselage went quick after that the brakes 
were one and were holding very well.
If I were to put the amount of time I spent redesigning the plane it 
would way out run the time I spent building.
seems every one on the reflector has a new way of doing things and most 
of them good. But if you stay to the
plans you save a ton of time. So do not Blame the factory if you did not 
follow directions and went on a different path.
It may be better in your opinion but defiantly not faster.

Ron

On 7/31/2012 10:27 AM, Andrew Judge wrote:
> Maybe it's only a fast-build offering? Then everything is more 
> homogenous? 800 hours would be more reasonable.
>
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> From: Jones Nick <nick.jones at volvo.com <mailto:nick.jones at volvo.com>>
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> Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:22 AM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org 
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> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: V-Twin in Airventure news
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> Sounds like a fish story to me. Looks like we have another category to 
> add to the list of "aviation fibs"; how fast it goes, how much fuel 
> does it burn, how high it goes, how much does it carry, how far it 
> goes, and now how long does it take to build.
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> Best regards,
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> Nick and Connie Jones
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> *From:*reflector-bounces at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org> 
> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Braswell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:12 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: V-Twin in Airventure news
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> Editorial comment:
>
> Uh, right 800 hours.  Maybe multiply by 3 and add 1000.  :)
>
> Hate to cynical but I just don't buy it ...
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> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alex Balic 
> <velocity_pilot at verizon.net <mailto:velocity_pilot at verizon.net>> wrote:
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> 800 hours? Must be a super fast build...
>
> *From:*reflector-bounces at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org> 
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> <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org>] *On Behalf Of *Reiff Lorenz
> *Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2012 5:33 PM
> *To:* reflector at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
> *Subject:* REFLECTOR: V-Twin in Airventure news
>
> This was posted to the Airventure news feed:
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> http://www.airventure.org/news/2012/120724_velocity-v-twin-cant-spin.html
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> Full article below
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> Velocity V-Twin Can't Spin
>
>
> Velocity's V-Twin (photo by Mariano Rosales)
>
> By James Wynbrandt
>
> No, the small twin-engine pusher with canards and delta wings is not a 
> baby Avanti Piaggio. It's the prototype of the V-Twin, a new offering 
> from kit company Velocity Aircraft of Sebastian, Florida.
>
> "I've been wanting to build a twin-engine version of our airplane for 
> many, many years," said Duane Swing, chairman and owner of Velocity 
> Aircraft. But with their propensity to enter a stall spin in the event 
> of an engine loss in high-power, low-airspeed operations, such as 
> during takeoff, "Twin engines have lost favor because of the high rate 
> of death with engine failure," Swing noted. "The idea was to build a 
> Velocity twin with no VMC (minimum controllable airspeed), where you 
> couldn't slow to the point where you could stall, and therefore 
> there's no way to spin."
>
> In theory, a canard aircraft such as the Velocity can't spin because 
> the canard stalls before the wing, lowering the nose, and keeping 
> sufficient airflow over the wing to keep it flying. Engineers Swing 
> consulted agreed the same principal would apply to a twin-engine 
> canard aircraft, convincing him to pursue his longstanding goal.
>
> "Last year at Oshkosh I said, 'I'm going to do this,'" Swing said. "In 
> October I told our guys the company can't afford to fund this, so the 
> whole cost is coming out of my pocket, and you guys know what you're 
> doing, so let's build a twin. Six months later we had it flying."
>
> The completed aircraft was intended to be proof-of-concept aircraft, 
> to be followed by a prototype from which parts for the kit version 
> would be made. But the airplane flew so well that "right after the 
> first flight it became apparent this was not just a concept airplanes, 
> it was going to be the prototype."
>
> After its debut at Sun 'n Fun, Swing and company pilot John Abraham 
> subjected the aircraft to more rigorous flight tests, "doing things 
> most twins would not, like full stalls with one engine shut down, to 
> prove we can't get it to stall, eliminating the major problem of other 
> twins," Swing said.
>
> The prototype at the Velocity display (exhibit No. 11) is powered by 
> two 160-hp Lycoming IO 320 engines. Fuel burn of about 6 gph per 
> engine in economy cruise yields 170-plus knots and about 1,400 nm 
> range. Single-engine climb is about 400 fpm up to 8,000 feet, and from 
> 8,000 to 12,000 feet the V-Twin will hold altitude on one engine.
>
> The company expects the airframe to support engines up to 250 hp. 
> Velocity is also designing a six-place version with a 2-foot cabin 
> extension and is talking to Delta Hawk about offering a diesel engine 
> option.
>
> "We're now just waiting to build one more in our shop so we can 
> complete the construction phase" to document the building instructions 
> for kit buyers, Swing said. V-Twin kits start at $110,000, and 
> Velocity estimates cost of the completed aircraft with engines and 
> glass panel will be about $250,000. Estimated construction time is 
> about 800 hours.
>
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