REFLECTOR: Elevator trim problem

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Mon Jan 16 00:02:28 CST 2012


I talked with the Mac folks and was assured that the switches could handle the loads in the velocity. If they didn't, they would replace them. Simple enough. 


Kurt 



-----Original Message-----
From: Burrall L Sanders <craftsman at freeflightcomposites.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Elevator trim problem



John,
My main concern would be if your switches in the Mac stick are built and rated for the current that the trim motor demands to do its job.  Usually the switches are too light for the job...thus the need of a relay.
A switch that is overloaded with current can weld to the closed position and you could  have a runaway trim as a result that could go to the stops.  Be very careful because the fact that it worked a time or two should  not give you the warm and fuzzies yet.
Burrall
 
www.freeflightcomposites.com
 
 
 

 

From: John Dibble 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:45 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list 
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Elevator trim problem

 

I eliminated the solid state relay and wired the stick buttons directly to the trim motor.  Took 2 short flights today and it worked perfect.  I know that's not much time, but on the previous flight it began trimming up by itself right after leveling off at 1000 ft, so I'm cautiously optimistic.  If anyone, not using a relay with a Mac stick,  has had problems, I'd really like to hear from you. 
Thanks, 
John 
John Dibble wrote: 
I'm seriously thinking about that.  Maybe with an   additional switch to switch between the stick buttons and the toggle so I can   keep the stick controls which work most of the time.   
John   
Douglas Holub wrote:   
        All arguments for a single DPDT (on) off (on)     toggle switch on the panel for elevator trim, on the left side where it's     easy to reach with the left hand. Only one robust component.     
      
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From:Michael       Watson
      
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders       list
      
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012       12:29 PM
      
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Elevator trim       problem
John,       
I also have a Mac 7 stick. Last year I had a problem with an       intermittent up button. 
I called Mac and they sent me two new buttons       to replace the up and down ones. 
No problems since. I think your up       button may be sticking. Unscrew the two screws 
under the head four or       five turns, twist the head left to right while pressing the up button       
and see if it sticks. Find a position that it moves up and down       smoothly then tighten the 
screws. 
  
  
        
        
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:15 AM, John Dibble <aminetech at bluefrog.com>       wrote:       
While we're on this subject, I need help with an issue         with my elevator 
trim.  Over the past 100 hours, infrequently         it seems to trim up 
uncommanded.  I push forward on the stick         to keep level and push the 
trim down button.  For a second or         two nothing happens.  Then it 
responds properly.  I know         if I press both buttons at once, nothing 
happens, so I'm guessing         that there is still an up input in the second 
or two when nothing         happens.  I have a solid state relay that failed 
once.  In         that case the output voltage reduced to where the motor 
wouldn't         run.  I have a Mac 7 stick.  On the ground the buttons operate         
well with no sign of sticking.  I have several questions.         
Where is the mechanism that prevents operation when both buttons are         
pressed?  In the stick?  In the relay?  In the motor?         
Can I eliminate the relay and run full current through the stick?         
I may wire lights to the leads going to the motor so I can confirm         when 
current is being sent to the motor.         
Thanks,         
John         
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