REFLECTOR: How to fuel up and live to tell about it. (Laurence Coen)

Thu Feb 2 12:29:43 CST 2012

Larry, I'm also concerned about static on the surface of the fuel itself and the additional frictional static charge created by the falling fuel.  Your 2 cents on this list summation would be appreciated:

Fueling a composite airplane...

Ground pump/truck Airplane onto exhaust or engine.
Put antistatic mat around filler cap.
Leave the gas cap on until you have the fuel filler nozzle in your other hand.  
Use free hand to open the gas cap.  This puts the nozzle, you and the gas cap/filler ring all at ground potential before combustible vapor is available.  
Flowing gas produces additional static electricity so make sure the nozzle remains:   
in contact with the filler ring AND 
submersed in fuel during the fueling process if possible.
Replace cap and latch before going to the next tank.  
Repeat.
Unground airplane.

Karl
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>   1.  How to fuel up and live to tell about it. (Laurence Coen)
>   2.  P.S.: No gloves (Laurence Coen)
>   3. Re:  Reflector down (Brian Michalk)
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> From: "Laurence Coen" <lwcoen at hotmail.com>
> Date: January 31, 2012 2:15:07 PM EST
> To: "reflector16" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: REFLECTOR: How to fuel up and live to tell about it.
> Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> All.
>  
> It’s winter and the time for static electricity.  It's also the time for fueling accidents.  Last week in Kansas City someone totaled his Chevy pickup at the gas pump to say nothing of what he did to the canopy he was parked under.  This was all caught in the station surveillance camera. The gentleman was sitting in his truck with the door open and the gas hose filling the tank.  He then slid off the seat, turning himself into a 40 thousand volt time bomb.  He walked back and grabbed the fill nozzle.  FOOM!  Since fill nozzles have to be grounded by law and it was in contact with the all metal truck, this was not a grounding problem of the vehicle.  If this guy had of touched anything metal as he slid of the seat this would not have happened.
>  
> You can ground the metal stuff on a Velocity but you cannot, no matter how hard you try, ground your fuel tank wings or the gas in the tank because they are all non-conductors.  The metal ring for the fuel cap is metal and can have a static charge if it is not wired to the ground of the plane and you attach the ground clip like you're suppose to.
>  
> If you follow this technique it won't matter if it's grounded or not.  Leave the gas cap in place until the plane is grounded and you have the fuel nozzle in your hand  Now use your free hand to open the gas cap.  This will guarantee that the nozzle, you and the gas cap/filler ring are all at ground potential before combustible vapor is available.  Flowing gas will produce static electricity so make sure the nozzle remains in contact with the ring during fueling.  Replace and latch the cap before going to the next tank.  Repeat.
>  
> Larry Coen
> N136LC
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Laurence Coen" <lwcoen at hotmail.com>
> Date: January 31, 2012 2:25:48 PM EST
> To: "reflector16" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: REFLECTOR: P.S.: No gloves
> Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> You can put your gloves back on after the nozzle is in the tank.  And don't wander off and slide across your seat covers.
>  
> Larry Coen
> N136LC
> 
> 
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> From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
> Date: January 31, 2012 2:35:44 PM EST
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector down
> Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> 
> Juanita bought an industrial sewing machine off CraigsList, and made some very nice leather seats out of leather that someone here on the Reflector arranged a group buy for.
> They are pretty heavy with confor-foam, but are very comfortable.
> 
> The rest is a combination of carpet from Wal-Mart, I think, and some fabric she bought.
> 
> For now, it looks pretty good, and we've talked about redoing it in a few years.  I just happened to take a shot of the back seats.  I'll try to get some better pictures this weekend.
> 
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> On 1/30/2012 6:56 PM, Douglas Holub wrote:
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>> Hi Brian,
>>  
>> I'm about to put my interior in after flying the plane for about 135 hours. We had the seats and the glare shield upholstered before we started flying, so now we just need carpet, side panels, and the headliner.  My vanity panel is varnished wood.
>>  
>> A few years ago Scott Baker suggested that I could get a good quality, relatively inexpensive interior by hiring a local hot rodders custom interiors shop, so I think that's what I'm going to do. What did you do? Got any pictures?
>>  
>> Doug Holub
>> 2009 Standard FG w/ electric nose lift
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brian Michalk
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector down
>> 
>> You are welcome.
>> 
>> My project is dangerously close to flying again.
>> We just put in the interior, and wow, that makes a big difference.  Unlike you, we are planning to paint after flying the plane for a while.  This weekend I primered the wings, and wow, that makes a big difference too.
>> 
>> I've got some details to finish for the annual, like new batteries and such, but most of the remaining items are administrative, like my medical, BFR, getting my repairmans certificate so I can sign off the annual, and also a new weight and balance.
>> 
>> I still need to do engine tuning as well.  Then it's time for taxi testing.
>> 
>> On 1/29/2012 11:39 PM, nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brian, 
>>> 
>>> Yet another "thank you" for you work done and ongoing. 
>>> 
>>> How's the project?
>>> 
>>> Kurt 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>>> To: Laurence Coen <lwcoen at hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:49 pm
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector down
>>> 
>>> Laurence, and Reflector:
>>> 
>>> I've been having issues with the email this week after I moved the internal network addressing scheme.  It appears to be related to DNS taking longer than previously, which backs up the mail server, because it must then keep connections open for longer.  If it weren't for the high spam volume, my server wouldn't have anything to do.
>>> 
>>> I should have the problem resolved this weekend. 
>>> 
>>> On 1/27/2012 2:36 PM, Laurence Coen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Brian,
>>>>  
>>>> Messages are getting to the archives but not being posted to the subscribers. I posted a reply to a Chris Barber question on 1/23/2012 that failed to echo on the reflector.  The email from Chris is the last Reflector message that I have seen.  I checked my profile and it looks fine.  The archives now contain more messages wondering where the Reflector went.
>>>>  
>>>> Larry Coen
>>>> N136LC
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