REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance

Fri Dec 28 21:07:05 CST 2012

Affirmative.

Mark B. Magee
N34XL XLFG 
Sent from IPhone 4S

On Dec 28, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Ron N VelocityXLFG <velocityxl at fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Best fix 
> 
> Velocity XL FG
> No alarm to ignore :)
> 
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> 
> On 12/28/2012 11:51 AM, Mark Magee wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>> Low speed gear up devices have been in use for about 40 years. The problem is the are normally 'defeat' able, they have a defeat button to turn the alarm horn off, lights normally stay on showing gear up and slow airspeed. When in a busy pattern (eg Oshkosh), under vectors from a controller or other 'busy' times         just prior to landing pilots will get annoyed at that alarm horn blowing in their ears while copying vectors/instructions and turn off the horn. The P3 incident I cited the Aircraft Commander defeated the alarm horn 3 separate times. 3 brains missed the gear after that.
>> We are human.
>> It happens.
>> Never think it can't happen to you even with a low speed alarm.
>> 
>> Mark B. Magee
>> N34 XL
>> Sent from IPhone 4S
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> a low speed gear up warning is a standard part of the kit.
>>> 
>>> most gear up incidents occur with the warning activated and ignored by the pilot.  Its interesting to listen to an ATC tape and the gear warning is clearly heard in the background.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance
>>> From: Michael Watson <mikewatsspg at gmail.com>
>>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Date: 12/28/2012 08:58 AM
>>>> Last year, I installed the P/N 2050 gear warning system. As air speed goes below 100 KIAS
>>>> the alarm which is connected to the headset goes off. "GEAR OK"  if gear is down or,
>>>> "GEAR UNSAFE" if gear is up. Works great.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:10 PM,               Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Jack,
>>>>> You are correct. They are worried about a gear up landing. If you don't do the work that could be 100k+ mistake. I studied film of a P3 crew: 3 brains in the cockpit (2 pilots + NFO) calling the LANDING CHECKLIST multiple times and the bird still came down gear up. Until the electronics geniuses give us a simple fail safe device to ensure we don't land gear up, the pilot is the weak link and the insurance companies will demand that link be strengthened via time or training.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark B. Magee
>>>>> Sent from IPhone 4S
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "Jack Prock" <jackprock at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> >>> There is a reason the insurance comp. require that time.  They don't like paying for lawn dart flights.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > HA!  I'm pretty sure if I become a lawn dart, having the landing gear down won't help much!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think they are worried about becoming a runway number scrubber!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: Scott Derrick
>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:10 PM
>>>>> > To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>>>> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance
>>>>> >
>>>>> > When I bought my first plane, a Bonanza, I had about 20 hours retract
>>>>> > time in an Arrow and Mooney.  The insurance company still required 10
>>>>> > hours dual in my Bonanza, followed by 10 solo before I could carry
>>>>> > passengers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Why people think they can just buy into a retract with a smattering of
>>>>> > training is beyond me.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you had 20 hours of retract, I'm sure you could negotiate a dual/solo
>>>>> > time requirement.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There is a reason the insurance comp. require that time.  They don't
>>>>> > like paying for lawn dart flights.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Scott
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> > Subject: REFLECTOR: Reflector: Insurance
>>>>> > From: Jack Prock <jackprock at wavecable.com>
>>>>> > To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>>>> > Date: 12/27/2012 04:55 PM
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> HI,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Finally taking the project out to the airport next week, with a
>>>>> >> potential first flight late spring or early summer.
>>>>> >> Started calling around to get insurance and EAA Falcon is now requiring
>>>>> >> 50 hours of retract time
>>>>> >> before they will even quote for flying insurance. I can get ground,
>>>>> >> (non- moving) with liability,
>>>>> >> but asked about flight insurance for if and when I get there. Man that
>>>>> >> seems high on the retract time.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I know the insurance discussion has bounced around the Reflector, but
>>>>> >> does anyone have any
>>>>> >> other ideas for flight insurance?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I currently have zero retract time, but plan on getting checked out and
>>>>> >> renting a retract then flying
>>>>> >> with Velocity before first flight. But 50 hours seems REALLY high!!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jack
>>>>> >>
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