REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 93, Issue 8

Brett Ferrell reflector at velocityxl.com
Mon Dec 3 11:18:58 CST 2012


I'll post a link once I have something ready.



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Brett Ferrell

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On Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 09:29 AM, Chad Jensen wrote:

  I'd love to get on the list to get a calendar for 2013...



Thanks!

Chad



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     3. Re:  GPS outage, no big deal (Mark Magee)
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  Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:14:37 -0500
  From: Brett Ferrell <[6]reflector at velocityxl.com>
  To: [7]reflector at tvbf.org
  Cc: Darrell & Nora Kufalk <[8]kufalk at wi.rr.com>
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Velocity Calendar 2013
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  Darrell,
  Calendar submissions were very light, so it will be difficult to put
  together a quality offering.  I do still plan, over the next week or
  two, to try and pull together a new set of pictures for a 2013
  calendar.  However it will necessarily feature most of the same
  airplanes as this year's calendar, which is great for folks that
  like
  those planes, and I will use different pictures for sure...
  So... one last plea, if you have a quality picture (preferably
  3,000-2,500 pixels square) of a Velocity, and have the rights to use
  it
  (it's not a paid photographer's work for which you do not have
  duplication permission), please forward it to me.  Again, I would
  prefer in-flight shots, but any good picture will be considered.
  Thanks!
  Brett
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  [10]reflector at velocityxl.com
  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Darrell & Nora Kufalk wrote:
  Brett,
  It?s December 1^st.  Any progress on the calendar or are we _OL this
  year?
  Darrell
  From: [11]reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
  [mailto:[12]reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
  Behalf Of Brett Ferrell
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:10 AM
  To: reflector
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Velocity Calendar 2013
  Just a friendly reminder, since I haven't gotten anywhere near
  enough
  new pictures submitted for next year's calendar, that if you liked
  the
  calendar and want to have one next year, please submit (or encourage
  others to submit) your favorite pictures.  If you send them to me,
  I'll
  compile them and make the calendar available for order.
  Brett
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  Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:19:07 -0500
  From: Brett Ferrell <[20]reflector at velocityxl.com>
  To: [21]reflector at tvbf.org
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: GPS outage, no big deal
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  It does, and we did have a instance where GPS was unavailable (it
  was
  not NOTAMed, and I could not get GPS on my iPad either) where the
  GRT
  dropped into "dead reckoning" mode.  It was much better than
  nothing,
  but it did wander significantly from our true position over the
  course
  of 1/2 an hour or so.  That could be installation error, but it's a
  real data point.  Regardless, it was a lot better than no location
  data.
  Brett
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  [23]reflector at velocityxl.com
  On Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 07:46 AM, Mark Magee wrote:
  On Dec 2, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Scott Derrick
  <[1][24]scott at tnstaafl.net>
  wrote:
  Mark,
    I don't know what GR's INAV is, it's certainly not real Inertial
  Navigation!
  As I understand it Grand Rapids, and hopefully others have
  -Electronic-
  INAV: which is very accurate digital accelerometers on 3 axes that
  give
  better accuracy than the old mechanical accelerometers coupled to
  spinning gyros. Basically the AHRS that GR sells (I don't have one,
  and
  won't sell you one) is a stand alone box that if told where on earth
  it
  is, will calculate from 3 axis digital accelerometer data where on a
  3D
  plane you move to; no external reference. It does cross check to
  GPS.
  As
  well you can install two of them for redundancy and they as we'll
  will
  cross check each other.
  GR sells this AHRS to the military and others for a wide array of
  applications (hopefully not the Iranians!).
  Basically you get better accuracy for around $2,500 USD as to what
  used
  to cost the Navy 1MM each for the Submarine fleet. I knew the
  engineer
  at
  NASA that owned the INAV package on the Space Shuttle fleet, he had
  a
  team of 6? folks whose full time job was to maintain the 3 INAV
  boxes
  in
  each Orbiter. This was mid 1980's, he said each box was 1MM USD's
  (x3
  for
  each bird). I had buddies that served on subs that had the same
  boxes,
  they said they would submerge off Point Loma (San Diego) and be
  submerged
  for 6 weeks. After 6 weeks of sub-surface maneuvering they would
  surface
  and take a Celestial shot and would normally be within 100 feet or
  less
  from where the INAV package said they were. That was 3MM USD's
  technology
  and a dedicated team of technicians to maintain. We can now get
  better
  data for around $2,500 USD's each. So buy two for cross checking and
  redundancy and if Uncle Sam wants to jam my NAV (GPS), to Hell with
  him:
  Damn The Torpedoes an Full Speed Ahead!
  I don't have to have your GPS inputs! My precious little boxes have
  all
  the data I need to get where I'm going, no external data required.
  Jam my NAV signal? In flight?
  I told you guys I am an activist on this.
  Scott, it is -better- than what we used to term -real- INAV. For
  fractions of a penny on the dollar.
  Mark B. Magee
  N34XL
  Sent from IPhone 4S
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  Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:23:40 -0600
  From: Mark Magee <[33]edjonesbrady at gmail.com>
  To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
  <[34]reflector at tvbf.org>
  Cc: "[35]reflector at tvbf.org" <[36]reflector at tvbf.org>
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: GPS outage, no big deal
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  Brett,
  Do you have one AHRS's or two?
  Mark B. Magee
  Sent from IPhone 4S
  On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Brett Ferrell
  <[38]reflector at velocityxl.com> wrote:
  > It does, and we did have a instance where GPS was unavailable (it
  was not NOTAMed, and I could not get GPS on my iPad either) where
  the GRT dropped into "dead reckoning" mode.  It was much better than
  nothing, but it did wander significantly from our true position over
  the course of 1/2 an hour or so.  That could be installation error,
  but it's a real data point.  Regardless, it was a lot better than no
  location data.
  >
  > Brett
  > --
  > Brett Ferrell
  > [39]reflector at velocityxl.com
  >
  >
  > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 07:46 AM, Mark Magee wrote:
  >> On Dec 2, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Scott Derrick
  <[40]scott at tnstaafl.net> wrote:
  >>
  >> Mark,
  >>   I don't know what GR's INAV is, it's certainly not real
  Inertial Navigation!
  >>
  >> As I understand it Grand Rapids, and hopefully others have
  -Electronic-
  >> INAV: which is very accurate digital accelerometers on 3 axes
  that give
  >> better accuracy than the old mechanical accelerometers coupled to
  >> spinning gyros. Basically the AHRS that GR sells (I don't have
  one, and
  >> won't sell you one) is a stand alone box that if told where on
  earth it
  >> is, will calculate from 3 axis digital accelerometer data where
  on a 3D
  >> plane you move to; no external reference. It does cross check to
  GPS. As
  >> well you can install two of them for redundancy and they as we'll
  will
  >> cross check each other.
  >> GR sells this AHRS to the military and others for a wide array of
  >> applications (hopefully not the Iranians!).
  >> Basically you get better accuracy for around $2,500 USD as to
  what used
  >> to cost the Navy 1MM each for the Submarine fleet. I knew the
  engineer at
  >> NASA that owned the INAV package on the Space Shuttle fleet, he
  had a
  >> team of 6? folks whose full time job was to maintain the 3 INAV
  boxes in
  >> each Orbiter. This was mid 1980's, he said each box was 1MM USD's
  (x3 for
  >> each bird). I had buddies that served on subs that had the same
  boxes,
  >> they said they would submerge off Point Loma (San Diego) and be
  submerged
  >> for 6 weeks. After 6 weeks of sub-surface maneuvering they would
  surface
  >> and take a Celestial shot and would normally be within 100 feet
  or less
  >> from where the INAV package said they were. That was 3MM USD's
  technology
  >> and a dedicated team of technicians to maintain. We can now get
  better
  >> data for around $2,500 USD's each. So buy two for cross checking
  and
  >> redundancy and if Uncle Sam wants to jam my NAV (GPS), to Hell
  with him:
  >>
  >> Damn The Torpedoes an Full Speed Ahead!
  >>
  >> I don't have to have your GPS inputs! My precious little boxes
  have all
  >> the data I need to get where I'm going, no external data
  required.
  >>
  >> Jam my NAV signal? In flight?
  >> I told you guys I am an activist on this.
  >>
  >> Scott, it is -better- than what we used to term -real- INAV. For
  >> fractions of a penny on the dollar.
  >>
  >>
  >> Mark B. Magee
  >> N34XL
  >> Sent from IPhone 4S
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