REFLECTOR: Pilots report cockpit power failures

[Alex Balic]

Yea, we don't want to cause any further damage to the engine- that could be
costly! Better to just shut it down to idle and force the aircraft to land
immediately- we are genius programmers! Now what is our next project?

If they were out of range of the Hudson, and had to land in Manhattan, or
downtown Newark,  it would have been a much different, and tragic story...

 

From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Magee
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:52 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Pilots report cockpit power failures

 

Hi Richard,
I love the Reflector, I learned something new.
So correct me if I'm wrong, a software parameter prevented the flightcrew
from getting what thrust the engines could produce despite the damage, for
the program over-rode the throttle position asked for and selected FLIGHT
IDLE to prevent further damage? This is the same fly-by-wire bad programming
that sent that Airbus into the trees on a low pass at the Paris Air Show
years ago.
That almost cooked Sully's goose.

Let me see if I can capture my thoughts on this;

'If it ain't Boeing, I ain't Going!'

I think that says it.

Mark

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Richard J. Gentil
<richard at naples-air-center.com> wrote:

Mark,

 

The difference is with Airbus, if the A320 systems detect damage to an
engine, the system takes the engine and puts it in idle not to further
damage the engine. Boeing does not do this. 

 

While the engines would develop anything close to full power with a B737
they would have been able to get enough thrust to make it to Teterboro. 

 

If you listen to the CVR, Sully and Skiles spent most of their time to
getting the engines out of idle before landing in the Hudson. 

 

Richard 

Sent from my iPhone 4 Classic


On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Mark Magee <edjonesbrady at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Richard,
I didn't know Rolls or GE had developed a Goose-Proof engine. Or rather a
Flock-O-Geese-Proof engine. 
The Frogs tried the 'Foie Gras' engine which was a proven failure.
Funny enough, with the Foie Gras you were supposed to be able to eat the
goose after it passed through the engine. The engine was to literally cook
your goose...
Those Frogs! Had it only worked!

Mark Magee
N34XL



On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Richard J. Gentil
<richard at naples-air-center.com> wrote:

Well if Sully had been flying a Boeing and not an Airbus, no one would know
his name. 

 

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