REFLECTOR: Hydrogen Generators

Sun Oct 16 19:41:31 CDT 2011

100% scam

Hydrogen generators are #1 on the list.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/gas-saving
-gadgets-hall-of-shame?click=main_sr

From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Derrick
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 6:42 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Hydrogen Generators

It seems that the claim is that the mixture of hydrogen gas and vaporized
fuel at a 1% to 4% ratio, significantly increases the speed and efficiency
of the burn.  Not that your getting any appreciable power from the buring of
the hydrogen itself which would require a substantial amount of hydrogen
fuel.

I tried to find a reputable study that proves this wrong and could not.  I
also couldn't find a reputable study that proves it correct except a bunch
of people who say they installed one on their car/truck/big rig, etc, and
saw significant increases in mileage, from 5% to %30%.

Its intriguing in that I couldn't find anything on Snopes or any of the
other debunking sites.. 

Even if 1% is enought to do the trick thats a lot of hydrogen gas! Way more
than any of the generators were capable of making that I saw?  Your talking
10+ cubic liters per minute!

It's also hard to believe that of "ALL" the automotive makers in the world,
there isn't one that tried it, and if it worked wouldn't install them to
kill the competition with a more efficient car?

 I don't know, my bogus alarm is ringing pretty loud!

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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Hydrogen Generators
From:  <mailto:aminetech at bluefrog.com> <aminetech at bluefrog.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list  <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
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Date: 10/16/2011 05:02 PM

I think it's concentrated H2 AND concentrated O2.  But once it's mixed with
the intake air, it's very dilute and I wonder how it can have much effect.

John

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From: Robert Wood  <mailto:slvegl99 at aol.com> <slvegl99 at aol.com>
To: reflector at tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Hydrogen Generators
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:23:59 -0400 (EDT)

Sounds like "Snake Oil" to me. I'll bet that with enough investigations you
will find a claim that the Detroit Big 3 (or Big Oil) have paid to have this
kept secret and off the market. But it sure does seem like a good way to get
a plane blown out of the air --- concentrated Hydrogen near the intake!!

Bob Wood

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Balic  <mailto:velocity_pilot at verizon.net>
<velocity_pilot at verizon.net>
To: 'Jim Agnew'  <mailto:jim_agnew_2 at yahoo.com> <jim_agnew_2 at yahoo.com>;
'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'  <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
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Sent: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Hydrogen Generators

I was reading about that- if you get further into it- they do not claim to
replace the gasoline with hydrogen (which would require more energy to
produce that you would get back in useful work by a large margin)- instead,
they are claiming, that by adding some hydrogen gas to the intake air, the
octane of the gas fuel mixture goes up, allowing you to run more advanced
timing, which would produce more power on the fuel that you are burning- I
am going to do some investigating...

From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
<mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org?> ] On Behalf Of Jim Agnew
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:03 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Hydrogen Generators

It is a scam,  the hydrogen produced requires more energy input (
electricity ) than the Hydrogen will produce when burned.

Jim

James F. Agnew

Jim_Agnew_2 at Yahoo.Com

Tampa, FL

Velocity 173 Elite Aircraft Completed & Flying

From: "aminetech at bluefrog.com" <aminetech at bluefrog.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: REFLECTOR: Hydrogen Generators

This is my second post as the first one seems lost.  Anyone know anything
about this.

http://www.mileageshop.com/mileage-saver-complete-kit

John

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