REFLECTOR: Velocity twin

Ruben Creus ruben at vainneg.com
Tue Nov 8 14:49:29 CST 2011


Talking about the Starship, probably some have already seen this video, but
it has been in my bookmarks for a couple of years, and once in a while I
watch it. It never gets old. This is a true inspiration!!

 

For those who have not seen it yet, I hope you do, and enjoy it as much as I
did. Here goes the youtube link. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vSiiE2cyuc

 

 

Ruben

 

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From: Scott Derrick [mailto:scott at tnstaafl.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:00 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Velocity twin

 

There are probably many versions  of the evolution of the Starship.  The
conflicts usually appear after Beech fired Rutan and brought in their own
vision and engineers. 

The original 2/3 sized prototype did not have the articulating canard and
Rutan was vehemently apposed to it.  That was only one of the changes Beech
made that Rutan thought was a bad idea.  All of the changes from the
original design made the plane heavier, slower and more complex,  just what
the KingAir division wanted for the only competition.  Too bad the
competition was within the same company.

Scott  

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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Velocity twin
From: Jones Nick  <mailto:nick.jones at volvo.com> <nick.jones at volvo.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list  <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
<reflector at tvbf.org>
Date: 11/08/2011 11:44 AM



Beech had to use the articulating canard to offset the down force imposed by
the flaps. They had to install flaps to get the approach speeds required for
certified aircraft. They would have preferred not to install the
articulating canard but had no choice. I wondered if we use a swept canard
on the Velos if there would be any speed/efficiency gains.                

 

Best regards,

 

Nick and Connie Jones

Velocity XL-RG

N10CN

99% done 90% to go

 

From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Derrick
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:45 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Velocity twin

 

The Piaggio is a cool canard and one could argue that it has seen better
success than the Starship, though I think the Starship would have been a
great success if the KingAir division of Beech hadn't scuttled it in favor
of their conventional twin.  I also think Beech spoiled the design somewhat
by insisting on the articulating canard and all the weight and complexity
that change added. 

I'm not saying a conventional empennange wouldn't work I just question if
the change from winglets to single tail throws out the baby with the bath
water.  their are some really good things about the winglets and I haven't
heard a convincing argument that the benefits of a single tail outweigh
them.

Scott

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Velocity twin
From: Doug Kanczuzewski  <mailto:doug at customstudio.com>
<doug at customstudio.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list  <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
<reflector at tvbf.org>
Date: 11/08/2011 10:22 AM



The other large canard still flying does have the tall tail, and I do not
think looks that bad.

 

 
 
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