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Mon May 30 12:23:25 CDT 2011
thirty minutes after landing.
The engine will turn to it's first compression stroke then stop. After three
or four try's I'll just have to
wait thirty minutes, then the engine will turnover and start within one or
two power stroke/s.
This is annoying if you just want to make a quick fuel stop.
I have replaced the Concord 35x with an Odyssey PC1200MJT 40AH battery 1200
Amp. starting current
with the same result. I have placed another Odyssey 960 battery behind the
rear left seat, and wired it
so it parallels the front battery when the starter is engaged, still same
problem. A year or so ago, some
one on the reflector suggested replacing the starter with a ford part
number. I did that, still same problem.
The plane was originally wired with #2 wire, all connectors were power
crimped, the connectors to and
from the contractors are cleaned, treated and re tightened at each annual. I
realize that the Franklin has
10.5:1 compression and when hot, can actually be slightly more, but my BMW
M5 engine is also 10.5:1
compression and the same battery spins the engine very fast hot or cold.
Could the problem be that the
starter is being heat soaked, which reduces it's efficiency? Is anyone else
experiencing this problem?
BTW: I tried a Skytek starter which broke on the first start. it went into
the garbage.
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Mike W.
1997 Velocity Elite RG
Franklin /IVO Electric CS
Dual GRT EFIS HX Synthetic Vision
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Larry,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>I may not be understanding this note but if you extended the scoop is =
there just more space or are you blowing air from the scoop over the pan =
and accessory case. This cooling air is coming from =
where?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If it opens under the engine, I do not see how you obtain the cowl =
vacuum we all want for downdraft cooling. I must be missing =
something. Help? I like the scoop. Mine is whimpy in =
comparison so please be gentle but I get 1” of increased manifold =
pressure. What do you do with all that =
air?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Rene’<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Laurence Coen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 27, 2011 1:13 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders =
list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when =
hot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Mike & =
WJ,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>My brother made two =
starter nose pieces, the first of which is shown in the photos. =
The recess where the mounting bolts go are machined on the wrong =
side. Number two is in use. I think that your hot start =
problems are related to heat soaking the starter motor and the reason =
for the third picture. My belly scoop is extended down 1" to =
increase air flow over the oil sump and the accessory case. I =
wasn't so concerned about the starter but the alternator getting too =
hot. I have #2 wire and never a hot start problem. A plenum =
mounted blast tube for the starter might be the =
solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Mike. You may =
be able to use my "spare" nose piece if you trim off the =
mounting ears and add an "L" shaped bracket to clamp the =
starter in place. If you want it email me off reflector with your =
address and I'll send it to you.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Larry =
Coen</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>N136LC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>P.S.: My brother is =
retired and no longer has access to a machine =
shop.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:mikewatsspg at gmail.com" =
title=3D"mailto:mikewatsspg at gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow =
link">Michael Watson</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:13 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:reflector at tvbf.org" =
title=3D"mailto:reflector at tvbf.org CTRL + Click to follow =
link">Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: =
REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when =
hot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Larry,<br><br>Mine came with the same =
starter and adapter plate. I replaced the original starter with a skytex =
and then a ford (NAPA 2446115),<br>but still the same problem. I have =
never had a problem with adapter plate, but you are right, it is poorly =
made and is<br>prone to leak oil back into the starter solenoid. Would =
your brother consider making one for me? PM me if he can.<br><br> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:13 =
PM, Laurence Coen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:lwcoen at hotmail.com">lwcoen at hotmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div name=3D"Compose message area"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Mike,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>My Franklin came with =
a Honda Civic starter with a very poorly made, welded-up adapter =
plate. Luckily my brother was a tool and die maker and produced an =
adapter of my design from an aluminum billet. The battery is =
a 55 AHR Optima deep discharge with #2 wire. Never a starting =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Larry =
Coen</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>N136LC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:mikewatsspg at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"mikewatsspg at gmail.com">Michael Watson</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:38 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:reflector at tvbf.org" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"reflector at tvbf.org">Reflector</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> REFLECTOR: =
Franklin Will not turnover when =
hot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>To all =
Franklin powered Velocity owners.<br><br>From new, I have always had a =
problem starting the engine within ten to thirty minutes after =
landing.<br>The engine will turn to it's first compression stroke then =
stop. After three or four try's I'll just have to<br>wait thirty =
minutes, then the engine will turnover and start within one or two power =
stroke/s.<br>This is annoying if you just want to make a quick fuel =
stop. <br clear=3Dall><br>I have replaced the Concord 35x with an =
Odyssey PC1200MJT 40AH battery 1200 Amp. starting current<br>with the =
same result. I have placed another Odyssey 960 battery behind the =
rear left seat, and wired it<br>so it parallels the front battery when =
the starter is engaged, still same problem. A year or so ago, =
some<br>one on the reflector suggested replacing the starter with a ford =
part number. I did that, still same problem.<br><br>The plane was =
originally wired with #2 wire, all connectors were power crimped, the =
connectors to and<br>from the contractors are cleaned, treated and re =
tightened at each annual. I realize that the Franklin has<br>10.5:1 =
compression and when hot, can actually be slightly more, but my BMW M5 =
engine is also 10.5:1<br>compression and the same battery spins the =
engine very fast hot or cold. Could the problem be that the<br>starter =
is being heat soaked, which reduces it's efficiency? Is anyone =
else experiencing this problem?<br><br>BTW: I tried a Skytek =
starter which broke on the first start. it went into the garbage. <br>-- =
<br>Mike W.<br>1997 Velocity Elite RG<br>Franklin /IVO Electric =
CS<br>Dual GRT EFIS HX Synthetic Vision<o:p></o:p></p><div =
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