REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot

Mon May 23 12:24:31 CDT 2011

James F. Agnew
Jim_Agnew_2 at Yahoo.Com
Tampa, FL
Velocity 173 Elite Aircraft Completed & Flying

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From: Jeff Howell <jeffreyhowell at hotmail.com>
To: reflector at tvbf.org
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 12:58:17 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot

I am pretty confident that that will resolve the problem... Good Luck... Jeff

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From: mikewatsspg at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 11:24:46 -0400
To: Jim_Agnew_2 at yahoo.com; reflector at tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot

To all,

I ordered 30 feet of #00 wire to replace both Pos. and Neg. runs. I will post 
later if this resolves the problem.
Everyone responding. Keep in mind that when the engine is cold or worm  the 
starter spins the engine VERY FAST.
It's only after an hour or more flying and taxing to the terminal that the 
problem show's up.

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Jim Agnew <jim_agnew_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

One of the two biggest problems with starter  is under size wire and #2 wire is 
not recommended except for short runs and  #0 is best and second is poor 
connections.
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>Jim 
> James F. Agnew
>Jim_Agnew_2 at Yahoo.Com
>Tampa, FL
>Velocity 173 Elite Aircraft Completed & Flying
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From: Michael Watson <mikewatsspg at gmail.com>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 6:13:05 PM
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot
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>Larry,
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>Mine came with the same starter and adapter plate. I replaced the original 
>starter with a skytex and then a ford (NAPA 2446115),
>but still the same problem. I have never had a problem with adapter plate, but 
>you are right, it is poorly made and is
>prone to leak oil back into the starter solenoid. Would your brother consider 
>making one for me? PM me if he can.
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>On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Laurence Coen <lwcoen at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Mike,
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>>My Franklin came with a Honda Civic starter with a very poorly made, welded-up 
>>adapter plate.  Luckily my brother was a tool and die maker and produced an 
>>adapter of my design from an aluminum billet.  The battery is a 55 AHR Optima 
>>deep discharge with #2 wire.  Never a starting problem.
>> 
>>Larry Coen
>>N136LC
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>>From: Michael Watson 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:38 PM
>>To: Reflector 
>>Subject: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot
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>>To all Franklin powered Velocity owners.
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>>From new, I have always had a problem starting the engine within ten to thirty 
>>minutes after landing.
>>The engine will turn to it's first compression stroke then stop. After three or 
>>four try's I'll just have to
>>wait thirty minutes, then the engine will turnover and start within one or two 
>>power stroke/s.
>>This is annoying if you just want to make a quick fuel stop. 
>>
>>I have replaced the Concord 35x with an Odyssey PC1200MJT 40AH battery 1200 Amp. 
>>starting current
>>with the same result.  I have placed another Odyssey 960 battery behind the rear 
>>left seat, and wired it
>>so it parallels the front battery when the starter is engaged, still same 
>>problem. A year or so ago, some
>>one on the reflector suggested replacing the starter with a ford part number. I 
>>did that, still same problem.
>>
>>The plane was originally wired with #2 wire, all connectors were power crimped, 
>>the connectors to and
>>from the contractors are cleaned, treated and re tightened at each annual. I 
>>realize that the Franklin has
>>10.5:1 compression and when hot, can actually be slightly more, but my BMW M5 
>>engine is also 10.5:1
>>compression and the same battery spins the engine very fast hot or cold. Could 
>>the problem be that the
>>starter is being heat soaked, which reduces it's efficiency?  Is anyone else 
>>experiencing this problem?
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>>BTW:  I tried a Skytek starter which broke on the first start. it went into the 
>>garbage. 
>>
>>-- 
>>Mike W.
>>1997 Velocity Elite RG
>>Franklin /IVO Electric CS
>>Dual GRT EFIS HX Synthetic Vision
>>
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>Mike W.
>1997 Velocity Elite RG
>Franklin /IVO Electric CS
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Mike W.
1997 Velocity Elite RG
Franklin /IVO Electric CS
Dual GRT EFIS HX Synthetic Vision

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