REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot

Thu May 19 11:07:37 CDT 2011

I have heard of quite a few folks getting defective Odyssey batteries. They do all sorts of weird things and usually show up in Starting. I can't remember if you tried a different battery or not. Based on the strange stories I have heard, I would not buy one of those. 

Just hoping it would be an easy fix :) 

Kurt 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Watson <mikewatsspg at gmail.com>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 9:24 am
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot

John,

The Odyssey is a car battery. 

PC 1200 Specs:                   

1200 cranking amps for 5 seconds
1090 cranking amps for 10 seconds
900 cranking amps for 20 seconds
Short circuit current over 2600A
44 amp hours
78 minute reserve capacity with 25amp load 
Female brass terminal w/M6                       SS bolt
No metal jacket
Length 7 11/16"
 Width 6.5"
Height 6 5/8" 
Weighs 37.5 lbs

Odyssey design:                   

3 year full warranty
Rugged Drycell sealed design
Military grade
Vibration resistant
60% more starting power
Deep discharge reserve power
2 year storage life
8-12 year design life
Can be mounted in any orientation
This is a very powerful battery which we use in all the racing cars I manage. They all have
12:1 compression and rev. to 8000 RPM. None have failed to start when hot.
I think my next move its to replace the wires with #000 and replace the starter contractor. 
Thanks to everyone that responded to my question.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:09 AM,  <aminetech at bluefrog.com> wrote:

Mike,

I'd try jumping the battery with a car battery, to see if there's a difference.

John

--- mikewatsspg at gmail.com wrote:

From: Michael Watson <mikewatsspg at gmail.com>

To: sbjknox <sbjknox at earthlink.net>, Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>

Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Franklin Will not turnover when hot

Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:01:21 -0400

Sid,

Timing is checked at every annual, It's always right on, I actually have it set 
one degree retarded from recommended setting.  The engine does NOT kick 
back it just stops. releasing the starter releases the compression. I am an electronic 
engineer and am familiar with and tried most of the test procedures you mentioned. 
11.2 volts at the starter while cranking, .8volts drop across main contractor and .65volts
across starter contractor. After three tries, none of the wires get hot.  

Jeff,

I'd love to, but it just wont fit.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:41 PM, sbjknox <sbjknox at earthlink.net> wrote:

I have been thinking about my last post and the possible early timing issue
and realize that for a test you don't need to mess with the timing, simply
try and crank it with the mags off.

But beyond that, I suggest you make some voltage measurements...
1) Connect a voltmeter directly between the 'hot' starter terminal and the
case ground.  Crank for a couple seconds (mags off) and record voltage.
2) Repeat with the voltmeter  directly across the battery posts, not on the
cable clamps (or whatever you use to connect to the posts).
3) *Important* don't remain in the "locked rotor" crank mode for more than
two or three seconds.  There will likely be hundreds of Amps flowing and
this equates to *many* Kilowatts of heat being generated!
4) After taking the voltage readings, feel with your hand, each and every
connector, terminal, the starter and master solenoids for something hot.
Warm can be normal but not hot.  Don't forget the return (GND) path from the
battery to the engine.  In that short of time, the mass of the battery and
starter is such that you probably won't notice any heat build-up in them but
be assured that if you hold the locked-rotor current for an extended period
of time, you will likely destroy the starter and/or battery and solenoid(s).
(altho, the long run of  #2 wire might save it).

A six-dollar Harbor Freight digital voltmeter and some basic
trouble-shooting  will serve you better than throwing several hundred
dollars worth of starters and batterys on speculation at the problem.

Sid Knox
Oklahoma

Velocity  173 RG  N199RS
Starduster  N666SK
KR2         N24TC
W7QJQ

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